[tijlover]

Why does everybody heap blame on the President? Why not the co-President, his wife? I have read any number of bio's of First Ladies, and you know the saying: A man can't say no to his wife. Recently read an appropos bio of Eleanor Roosevelt. Talk about co-President! I would say, in many respects, she WAS the President. And Nancy Reagan the control-freak? And Hillary with Bill? And the verdict on Laura probably won't be known until she passes away someday. And Betty Ford? Why, oh why, oh why, isn't the voting public DEMANDING, at least, 2 debates with the potential First Ladies! As they may, directly or indirectly, be running the show.

With Eleanor, it was: Dear? You are going to sign this Bill when it lands on your desk, aren't you? D-E-A-R!!! Sweety Pie, Honey Buns! You A-R-E going to sign this bill, A-R-E-N' T you? And wouldn't that be the same with ANY First Lady who comes to Washington with their own personal agenda? Didn't Nancy Reagan (with the help of Joanne Quigley, her astrologer) have the final say on any Cabinet appointments, who stayed, who got fired?

As they say in the Far East: A lie is sweet in the beginning, bitter in the end. Truth is bitter in the beginning, sweet in the end. Until the voters overcome their hankering for sweets, we will continue to get, subconsciously, what we want: Lies. Mankind, in general, generally craves lies, and it's been said that Mankind couldn't live more than 3 seconds without lies in their lives. Lies are more important to mankind than food. Barry Goldwater spoke the truth during his campaign in the 60's and look where it got him! He gave a timetable for the depletion of social security funds. The voters don't want to hear that. Give us the sweets, pass on the bitters, the beat goes on!

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by michmoldman

I cant believe the freaking idiots that run this country. The country is going to hell..and they are arguing like little kids! They are all a bunch of no good pathetic liars, that could never make it in the world we live in. They have no cares in the world because they have money, and do not have to worry about how they are going to feed their kids this week. They have absolutely no clue what they are doing, and how to even go about doing it. Those idiots would argue for months over what color crap is, while the country went to hell! The American people should run this country. Get rid of all those good for nothing losers and put the people in charge.

and what do you think we do? We do not run the country but we vote or should anyway..That is the best we can do, if we don't like what is happening, we need to vote in other leaders.. Did you vote for those who are now in office, did you help elect them?/

Nita

[thatguy1]

Originally Posted by tijlover

Why does everybody heap blame on the President? Why not the co-President, his wife?

The president picks his own vice-pres and cabinet. And his wife for that matter.

[mattpoulsen]

Funky,

Just for the record, there are only a few that are zealously against Obama...they're just the ones making the most noise.

The Omaha district cast its electoral vote for Obama.

[michmoldman]

Originally Posted by nmnita

and what do you think we do? We do not run the country but we vote or should anyway..That is the best we can do, if we don't like what is happening, we need to vote in other leaders.. Did you vote for those who are now in office, did you help elect them?/

Nita

It does not matter who you elect. They all lie their ass off to get there, and once they are there, they know they have it made! Why the hell should they care? They are not the ones who are hurting for money, most were rich before they ever got there. And no we do not run the country. If we did, we would have a say in what they decide. Did you get to vote on the stimulous bill? The only way we could make a difference, is if once elected and we did not like what is going on, we would have a choice to vote any one of them out NOW! Not 4 years or whatever. And even then, most of these guys have money, they have been in politics so long, they are not even in the average persons world. politicians are in a whole other universe.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by michmoldman

It does not matter who you elect. They all lie their ass off to get there, and once they are there, they know they have it made! Why the hell should they care? They are not the ones who are hurting for money, most were rich before they ever got there. And no we do not run the country. If we did, we would have a say in what they decide. Did you get to vote on the stimulous bill? The only way we could make a difference, is if once elected and we did not like what is going on, we would have a choice to vote any one of them out NOW! Not 4 years or whatever. And even then, most of these guys have money, they have been in politics so long, they are not even in the average persons world. politicians are in a whole other universe.

We do have that ability. Maybe where you went to school they didn't teach government or you slept through it, whatever. It is called re-call and was used just a few years ago to remove the governor of California.

Of course most of them have money, but most are not dishonest and do you have any idea how they got their money? Some were born with a silver spoon in their mouths, others worked their butts off after getting a good education. I am not an Obama supporter as most know, but give him credit, he didn't get his education and get where he is by crying about how unfair life and politicians were treating him, how about Reagan, as well as Clinton? They worked for everything they got in life..Again, some have been around too long and some have money, but their constituants can vote them out at any time. I don't like Nancy or Harry. I do have to honor the fact their districts have elected them.

You think these guys (by the way some are gals) have been in politics so long, Reagan, 8 years as governor, Clinton, 8 years as governor, Obama not a full term in office, Palin, mayor of a small town and not yet a full term as governor, should I go on?

Many of us are suffering right now because of the economy. Do you think seniors don't have it rough? Believe me, they do, but you don't hear us all saying, all politicians are dishonest or don't care. It is a sad country when people feel that way. Are our politians doing a good job? I don't think so, but I do not buy into "they just don't care" they may care too much, why do you think they all have their pet projects?

You have a right to your views, but you should be able to back them up as well.

Nita

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by mattpoulsen

Funky,

Just for the record, there are only a few that are zealously against Obama...they're just the ones making the most noise.

The Omaha district cast its electoral vote for Obama.

I guess I rambled to much in my previous post response. What did you think of the points I brought up
Next Bush administration issue please....

[mattpoulsen]

Granite,

Ya...I'm by no means a Bush supporter. On the other hand, I don't think Obama is the savior either. I do think Obama has a chance to maybe change the Washington environment and he absolutely has my support. I respect him a great deal and get really annoyed when the right wing simply dismisses him because of party loyalty.

You do bring up good points in your post. I think we probably would agree more than disagree. I have issues with the Bush administration but sometimes also believe (in the same way the opposite regime dismisses Obama) that he is often blamed for things that were to some degree out of his control - although I'm not suggesting the Iraq war was one of these things. On the Iraq war, I think we should have probably avoided it. That said, I don't necessarily think its the biggest blunder we've made and I still think the verdict is out on its usefulness. I just think that people have a little nearsightedness and need to look at it in its proper historical context.


I guess as a whole I generally just dislike both extremes of the political spectrum and simply wish more people (like yourself) could have a civil discussion about the actual issues - even if ultimately they disagree.

[MR.JEFFY]

I think that Obama can't be a savior (if he will be) until the Washington environment changes. At the same time if he makes any breakthrough change in Washington he will at least be a savior for our system. I think if he wants to bring bipartisan change he should go to some respectable nonhostile moderate republicans and have a long discussion about how the two parties can if anything make small steps to meeting on some middle ground. They must dismiss anyone from either party who calls the republicans nazis or the democrats marxists making them the minority. The idea of a group from each party going so far as allowing themselves to have discussions and making themselves open to persuasion would be some real hope 'n change for hope 'n change. But then again the stimulus/porkulus bill just passed with no republican votes...*sigh*.....it was too rushed for any major bipartisanship and it was perfect for it!!!!! AARRRGGHHH!! *falls on knees, arms reaching up, howls at the sky*

[ddconne]

your just a loser.