[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by drummer1965usa

I can suggest a couple of places NOT to check out in Omaha: CCC and Trinity. Here's why...

I belong to a group of singles in their 30s and early 40s who had been based out of Christ Community Church for many years. In April 2006, Mark Ashton swept into town from Willow Creek and brought the Willow Creek way of doing things with him. In making Christ Community's image over to resemble that of Willow Creek, he decided that the current method of small group studies on Sunday mornings had to go, and that "journey" groups would replace them. In November of '06, our group (Spirit) was the first one at CCC to get the ax, and we were wandering nomads for more than a year after that, although we've since settled in at Harvey Oaks Baptist (the only place we could find that would have us) on Thursday nights. I made a vow when Ashton and his cohorts booted us out that I would never set foot inside CCC on a Sunday morning ever again, and I've stuck to it.

A month after that whole episode, I started attending Trinity for what I thought would be the long haul. At the time, I was completely unfamiliar with the inner workings of the charismatic movement, which would come back to haunt me later. I became a member of Trinity in Sept. 2007, right before a huge split (the cause of which I still haven't completely learned the details of to this day, because nobody in a position of hierarchy there has been forthright about discussing what exactly happened) took 1/3 of the church's membership with it. I stayed by my guns and hung in there for a while longer until Nov. '08 when Pastor Les Beauchamp mentioned the words "Lakeland revival" in some announcements before beginning a message. My jaw hit the floor, and, afterwards, I decided to ask him (without letting on that I already knew all about Todd Bentley) just where Trinity stood regarding Bentley, and what Les told me seemed to indicate that Trinity was supporting him, which disturbed me greatly.

I pulled the plug on my involvement with Trinity a couple weeks after that, and have been church-hopping ever since, trying to find SOME place here in Omaha that has its head screwed on straight.
I have heard that SBC (Southern Baptist) churches seem to be good places to check out. Can anyone recommend any here that are preaching the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ?

Beauchamp supported the Lakeland Revial and Todd Bentley?

not surprised if it is true, Les supports John Bevere and Brian McLaren also.



I knew Beautiful Savior Lutheran Church of LaVista Nebraska supported Todd Bentley's lies

since they refuse to distance themselves from Bentley cheerleader

Jay West



Christ Community Church I will never set foot in ever again.

Mark Ashton is basically a 100 percent follower of Hybels posionus agenda for the church.



Westside Church and King of Kings Lutheran Church and StoneBridge Christian Church I wouldnt recomend either.

they are all like Christ Community Church (i.e. seeker-sensitive)



I did several times go to Trinity, but havent set foot their since 2007

which was when Les Beauchamp pulled a John Piper (as many of us call it)

and sold out to apostate teachers

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by drummer1965usa

I have attended many of their Bible studies on Monday evenings and I can give them an enthusiastic thumbs-up. GAME is not, as has been stated already, a church, but is a para-church ministry geared towards singles from college age to early 30s. I do have to disagree with the statement about most churches in Omaha having singles ministries -- it's just the opposite. Several large churches in town have shut their singles groups down within the past 5 years and now another one (Brookside) will be doing so at the end of April. It's tragic, really -- Christian singles (at least the ones over 35) in the city of Omaha are getting swept under the rug, and now have no place to turn to for weekly fellowship. Perhaps the older singles groups will wind up doing what GAME already is doing, and going the para-church route. Whatever GAME is doing is working, because they get about 100 people (on average) there every Monday night.

is GAME involved with any church or sponsored by any omaha church


they arent pro-emergent or pro-hybels and pro-rick warren agenda are they?



I am not exactly supportive of GAME based on several people who have told me of the somewhat rude behavior

by a couple of its leaders, towards anyone who is critical of the rick warren and bill hybels agenda


I will go there for their Super bowl party on Feburary 1, but I am not going to support them

until I know they arent hybels and warren kool-aid drinkers



I see too many christians in omaha drinking Rick warren and Bill hybels and emergent church and mark driscoll poison kool-aid

and that is why so many churches here in a spirtual mess


I also take a bit of a issue with GAME taking a ski-trip to Colorado next month

and their Kayak thing later this week

(both of which costs money)


I think this ministry should be caring about lost souls and people who are hurting,

not taking trips to Colorado and having Kayak events


I think helping people in Omaha would more productive for them to do than a ski-trip to Colorado



maybe I am unfairly nitpicking or criticizing them, but considering how many people are hurting and lonely in Omaha

(look at Omaha's growing crime problem to see there are people getting hurt)



I think the ski-trip thing is something that isnt needed for any omaha area ministry or church to do right now

[Filet Mignon]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

maybe I am unfairly nitpicking or criticizing them, but considering how many people are hurting and lonely in Omaha

(look at Omaha's growing crime problem to see there are people getting hurt)

I think the ski-trip thing is something that isnt needed for any omaha area ministry or church to do right now

Actually, I think you are being a little over-the-top nitpicky and critical.

First of all, I wasn't aware that Hybels and Warren were "Emergent Church" or "Emerging Church." They're Mega-Church, which came before Emergent & Emerging.

But in regard to the Ski Trip... I think that's pretty much their own business. Yes, if it was a church that was just paying for people to go ski, I'd have a problem with that. But if it's just a bunch of people, who are part of a church, paying their own way to go skiing as a group, that seems like a pretty decent thing. It's not costing the church/ministry anything, and it's providing people a fun event together with other Christians.


...or am I missing something here?

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by Filet Mignon

Actually, I think you are being a little over-the-top nitpicky and critical.

First of all, I wasn't aware that Hybels and Warren were "Emergent Church" or "Emerging Church." They're Mega-Church, which came before Emergent & Emerging.

true, but both Hybels and Warren support many of the same false teachings that Rob Bell and Doug Pagitt promote.

[Filet Mignon]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

true, but both Hybels and Warren support many of the same false teachings that Rob Bell and Doug Pagitt promote.

What false teaching is that?


And by the way, I'm not in any way trying to bag on you. It just seems like you've got some pretty harsh opinions of a lot of churches and a lot of preachers.

I guess my limited "church experience" has not produced those feelings in me.

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by Filet Mignon

What false teaching is that?


And by the way, I'm not in any way trying to bag on you. It just seems like you've got some pretty harsh opinions of a lot of churches and a lot of preachers.

I guess my limited "church experience" has not produced those feelings in me.

Bill Hybels and Warren both promote contemplative spirtuality

or as it used to be called the "new-age"


not to mention if Hybels is a sound teacher and a legitimate pastor,



why is he going to the National Pastors Convention in Feburary 2009


Slice of Laodicea » Blog Archive » National Pastors Convention: Rounding Up the Usual Suspects


where


Brian McLaren, who denies cardinal doctrine like the atonement of Christ, the existence of hell and the Second Coming of Christ



YouTube - Brian McLaren's Attack Against Hell and Jesus Atonement



and Rob Bell will both be speaking


I mean, do you honestly believe Hybels is going to take Brian McLaren to task for

denying the atonement of Christ

and the existence of hell




YouTube - Brian McLaren's Attack Against Hell and Jesus Atonement



if Omaha area christians used DISCERNMENT and stopped drinking the kool-aid of Rob Bell and Rick Warren and Mark Driscoll and Bill Hybels

there wouldnt be so many spirtually screwed up people in our churches

[billiefan2000]

2 Videos that any Omaha area christians ought to watch



Dr. Jones and Brannon Howse on Five Reason For the Rise of Pagan Spirituality


and on what is Contemplative Spirituality

and how leaders like Bill Hybels and Rick Warren and other church leaders are promoting this false teaching


Dr. Jones and Brannon Howse on Five Reason For the Rise of Pagan Spirituality






Yoga, Contemplative Prayer, & the Doctrine of Demons in the American Church

Yoga, Contemplative Prayer, & the Doctrine of Demons in the American Church

[Dave1215]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

I also take a bit of a issue with GAME taking a ski-trip to Colorado next month

and their Kayak thing later this week

(both of which costs money)


I think this ministry should be caring about lost souls and people who are hurting,

not taking trips to Colorado and having Kayak events


I think helping people in Omaha would more productive for them to do than a ski-trip to Colorado



maybe I am unfairly nitpicking or criticizing them, but considering how many people are hurting and lonely in Omaha....................


I think the ski-trip thing is something that isnt needed for any omaha area ministry or church to do right now

I do think you are being a little too critical... those type of trips go a long long long ways in solidifying lifelong relationships.... that small investment can be very powerful in the health/vitality of a small group....

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by Dave1215

I do think you are being a little too critical... those type of trips go a long long long ways in solidifying lifelong relationships.... that small investment can be very powerful in the health/vitality of a small group....

you maybe right

[kdbrich]

I'd don't know that I'd call Hybels or Ashton heretics. I don't like the seeker-sensitive route that their churches are going, as I think they're starving the flock while trying to draw in more....but I'd hesitate to call it heresy.

Bell has horrible hermeneutics, and just flat out twists scripture. He has a very low view of the scriptures, as evidenced by his "Velvet Elvis" and "Sex God" garbage. He says just enough to make you think it sounds good, then veers off on a tangent by using an alternate translation of a particular word to give the passage a different meaning than the author intended.

Pagitt? I've heard enough interviews with him to conclude he's just a heretic.