[cultamerica]

A question,

You are a bank robber robbing a bank whos' guard is an avowed athiest who thinks Christianity is bunk. As you enter with your gun drawn, he draws on you, but you are quicker and shoot him causing immediate death. He goes to hell, so who sent him there, you, him, or....who?

[cultamerica]

A little bio on the aforementioned security guard.
He had just graduated from j.c. with an associates degree in criminal justice (paid for by the G.I. bill and his 2 years in the land of the sand, with plans to become a police officer. He finished at the top of his class.
His reason for atheism went back to his regular church attending parents who while not in church were involved in many unseemly activities, not the least of which was regular abuse of he and his siblings. His desire to join law enforcement was to help put away people like these, who were the last kind of people he would ever be like in any way.
But as it happened, he had that very day asked one of the tellers at the bank out for coffee. His only resistance was the fact that she wore her religious beliefs on her sleeve, and while this was a cause for concern, he was compelled to go forward nonetheless.
Then entered the bank robber...

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

"Spare me your proof-texts that skirt the issue and answer nothing. Excessive, irrelevant verbiage does not carry the day."

Take a look in your overly self-righteous mirror.

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

A little bio on the aforementioned security guard.
He had just graduated from j.c. with an associates degree in criminal justice (paid for by the G.I. bill and his 2 years in the land of the sand, with plans to become a police officer. He finished at the top of his class.
His reason for atheism went back to his regular church attending parents who while not in church were involved in many unseemly activities, not the least of which was regular abuse of he and his siblings. His desire to join law enforcement was to help put away people like these, who were the last kind of people he would ever be like in any way.
But as it happened, he had that very day asked one of the tellers at the bank out for coffee. His only resistance was the fact that she wore her religious beliefs on her sleeve, and while this was a cause for concern, he was compelled to go forward nonetheless.
Then entered the bank robber...

You have a very, very active imagination.

[cultamerica]

If you don't like that question, how about this one...

A married couple had planned for several years to have a child. Their plans worked to perfection. The child grew to be a normal happy resident of Omaha Nebraska and became a devout Christian.
The question is who brought this person into existence?

[cultamerica]

One more, if I may.

Lets say I am a cockroach. A fine example of a cockroach, self sufficient in every way, able to go left, right, up or down by my very unique cockroach will.
One night while scouting for food, the world went from darkness to absolute light. As is turned out, someone turned the light on. So, being a truly dignified cockroach in every way, I ran.
The question here is, did I choose to run because I rationalized that light would not be in my best interest, or did I run because it is in my nature to run from the light?

Indulge me here for a moment. Lets say one day when the light comes on I begin to run, but then stop, it occurs to me (the idea is laid upon me as if injected into my very cockroach dna) that this light may be a good thing, and I walk to the light. I find that it is true, there is no other truth but this light, and find that I am no longer a cockroach, but a child of the light. So would it be safe to suggest that the only aspect of the cockroach will playing into this scenario, is that will which had to be burnt away, so to speak?

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

One more, if I may.

Lets say I am a cockroach. A fine example of a cockroach, self sufficient in every way, able to go left, right, up or down by my very unique cockroach will.
One night while scouting for food, the world went from darkness to absolute light. As is turned out, someone turned the light on. So, being a truly dignified cockroach in every way, I ran.
The question here is, did I choose to run because I rationalized that light would not be in my best interest, or did I run because it is in my nature to run from the light?

Indulge me here for a moment. Lets say one day when the light comes on I begin to run, but then stop, it occurs to me (the idea is laid upon me as if injected into my very cockroach dna) that this light may be a good thing, and I walk to the light. I find that it is true, there is no other truth but this light, and find that I am no longer a cockroach, but a child of the light. So would it be safe to suggest that the only aspect of the cockroach will playing into this scenario, is that will which had to be burnt away, so to speak?

So then... We're really just big cockroaches?

[cultamerica]

Ephesians 2

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us.
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[cultamerica]

Some are, some are not...

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by cultamerica

Some are, some are not...

So some people are predestined to be like cockroaches.

Does that mean that person would live for 15-20 minutes after his head was chopped off?