05-29-2010, 11:06 PM
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LOL. We have been wayy off topic for a long time and really, this thread should have been locked ages ago.
Since the beginning of marital law in this country marriage has always been presumed to be between one man and one woman. This turned out to be a dangerous presumption. I'm sure if our founding fathers had it to do all over again, they would have been a little bit more clear as to what a marriage meant and like so many other parts of the constitution it would have been based off of Christian values.
But, they didn't specify that very clearly, so one day a gay couple thought they wanted to be married and decided to see if they would be allowed to do so. Then, this debate started.
Some states decided to go ahead and let gay people get married, they decided to keep their laws non specific and allow gay couples to get married. Some states passed amendments to their laws to clarify that marriage is only to be between a man and a woman. The majority of the people of this state voted that we are not going to recognize a gay marriage and the courts recognized that same fact and decided it was in the best interest of the state.
Some states supreme courts overturned bans, Others, including Nebraska chose to uphold the ban.
If you are gay and care soooo much about marriage and can't possibly be happy unless you get married, you have the option to go to a state that allows it. If you love each other that much you can take a road trip. Even if it were illegal in the whole country true love would find a way, right?
But don't sit here and pretend that we should change our lives and our laws just to give you a warm fuzzy feeling. You may not think it affects others, but it does. If the law changes, all of a sudden I legally have to act like your marriage is legitimate, when deep down I feel it's a perversion of what marriage should be. How does it hurt society? It wouldn't stop at marriage. Gay people will always demand more and more things be changed to accommodate them and to legitimize their relationships. The bottom line is that people that have traditional values just don't support, nor will they ever support a gay lifestyle and every time you try and change laws to benefit gays you chip a way a little more at the rights of the straight.
As for the topic. I don't think there are a lot of people in here that are going to help you SurfO in terms of getting Benson officially called a "gay district". Maybe one day if gays fill the entire area and take over all of the Benson businesses people will just start calling it the rainbow district, or whatever. You want to be treated the same, but yet you want your own district, I don't get it. If you have your own district you will alienate yourself, straight people aren't going to go there and get harassed and hit on or have to watch gays in action.
05-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Location: Chicago
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LOL. We have been wayy off topic for a long time and really, this thread should have been locked ages ago.
Since the beginning of marital law in this country marriage has always been presumed to be between one man and one woman. This turned out to be a dangerous presumption. I'm sure if our founding fathers had it to do all over again, they would have been a little bit more clear as to what a marriage meant and like so many other parts of the constitution it would have been based off of Christian values.
But, they didn't specify that very clearly, so one day a gay couple thought they wanted to be married and decided to see if they would be allowed to do so. Then, this debate started.
Some states decided to go ahead and let gay people get married, they decided to keep their laws non specific and allow gay couples to get married. Some states passed amendments to their laws to clarify that marriage is only to be between a man and a woman. The majority of the people of this state voted that we are not going to recognize a gay marriage and the courts recognized that same fact and decided it was in the best interest of the state.
Some states supreme courts overturned bans, Others, including Nebraska chose to uphold the ban.
If you are gay and care soooo much about marriage and can't possibly be happy unless you get married, you have the option to go to a state that allows it. If you love each other that much you can take a road trip. Even if it were illegal in the whole country true love would find a way, right?
But don't sit here and pretend that we should change our lives and our laws just to give you a warm fuzzy feeling. You may not think it affects others, but it does. If the law changes, all of a sudden I legally have to act like your marriage is legitimate, when deep down I feel it's a perversion of what marriage should be. How does it hurt society? It wouldn't stop at marriage. Gay people will always demand more and more things be changed to accommodate them and to legitimize their relationships. The bottom line is that people that have traditional values just don't support, nor will they ever support a gay lifestyle and every time you try and change laws to benefit gays you chip a way a little more at the rights of the straight.
As for the topic. I don't think there are a lot of people in here that are going to help you SurfO in terms of getting Benson officially called a "gay district". Maybe one day if gays fill the entire area and take over all of the Benson businesses people will just start calling it the rainbow district, or whatever. You want to be treated the same, but yet you want your own district, I don't get it. If you have your own district you will alienate yourself, straight people aren't going to go there and get harassed and hit on or have to watch gays in action.
Marriage is far more than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_..._United_States
These are the automatic rights associated with marriage that gay couples are denied to.
Plus, why are you trying to.... You call yourself a Christian but you deny love, our God is Love! And how would it affect you so much? Honestly, how?
05-29-2010, 11:44 PM
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05-30-2010, 08:23 AM
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The law should apply to the needs of the people. The Gay community is excluded from the benefits of a social wide institution! It is time to make room for gays. In Omaha, it is time for a gay district in Benson!!
Perhaps the majority of the business owners in Benson DON'T WANT it to be a Gay District. Did you ever think of that?
Maybe they just want it to be a business district. And since there are already several gay business owners in Benson, it's obviously not that much of an issue.
Why are you always pressing for special privileges? You can't be satisfied to just live like other people do, go about your business and live your life? Apparently not.
05-30-2010, 08:26 AM
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Most Christians that I've heard talk about homosexuality claim their Bible says that homosexuality is wrong - a sin.
So why are you calling yourself a Christian, and openly flaunting something the Christian Bible says is wrong? That's kind of like a Highway Patrolman saying that speeding and running stop signs is perfectly fine.
05-30-2010, 09:36 AM
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Name verses.
05-30-2010, 12:57 PM
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Name verses.
Seriously? You claim to be a Christian, but you don't know any of the verses?
05-30-2010, 01:38 PM
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Most Christians that I've heard talk about homosexuality claim their Bible says that homosexuality is wrong - a sin.
And they'd be wrong.
There are no verses in the bible that specifically speak of homosexuality as a sin. There is one or two that could
possibly be interpreted that way, but there is plenty of dispute about it, and even leading theologians haven't been able to come to agreement yet.
05-30-2010, 02:20 PM
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And for every bible verse you cite against homosexuality one can also cite one that says its not YOUR business to judge and that is only god's domain. In its totality the bible is absolutely ambiguous on the matter of homosexuality. And besides, if we start outlawing everything that is listed in the bible then we'll be gouging our eyes out with spoons and stoning our daughters.
Moreover, marriage is NOT just about religion. So why is that even part of the conversation?? Jews might think its against their religion to work on Saturday does that mean we should all shutdown our businesses so as not to upset them??
If you think gay marriage is wrong then don't enter into a gay marriage. And if your church thinks gay marriage is a sin then that church shouldn't perform gay marriages. But that is not what is up for debate here. The question here relates to state sanctioned marriage and that does NOT require any blessing by any church.
The Founders did NOT speak out on the issue of marriage at all. The constitution does not contain a "marriage clause." Marriage was determined to be a fundamental right by the Courts (gasp!).
So whether or not the laws at the time would not have allowed gay marriage is completely irrelevant. Guess what also was going on at the time the Constitution was penned?? Slavery. Based on your logic it would be ok to still engage in slavery because the founders contemplated it, engaged in it and referenced it in the Constitution.
No, the constitution and its interpretation are not and should not be static. That is the one thing the Founders recognized. That as society norms evolved the citizens of this country would be situated so as to allow them to engage in "peaceful revolt" by amending the constitution for the greater good.
As far as a "gay district," I agree with you Omaharocks. Having a gay district is antithetical to the entire movement for which Surf portends to represent. I'm not sure why gays need a separate district to have equal rights. To me they should desire a society that doesn't require a separate district. I'm sure an analogy to ghettos could be made here.
Again, I have not yet heard why exactly gay marriage will wreck your marriage or society? I mean your best argument as to how it hurts society is that it will warp your mind into thinking what a proper marriage is?? Really?? Then why do we allow divorce? My lord, the 5% of gay married couples will have a much much smaller impact on society than the 70% of men cheating on their wives or the 50% of hetero couples who get divorced.
Gay couples aren't going away. So Adam and Steve down the block will still be there living their gay lifestyle. How is letting them get married going to unravel society?? How does allowing gay marriage "chip away at the rights of straights?" To me that's about like saying desegregation will chip away at the rights of white students.
05-30-2010, 04:37 PM
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Seriously? You claim to be a Christian, but you don't know any of the verses?
I have. But name them anyway.
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)