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View Poll Results: Where are you considering relocating to?
No Where else than Southern California 36 28.13%
Oregon (or the Northwest) 54 42.19%
Southwest 5 3.91%
Midwest 12 9.38%
East Coast 8 6.25%
The South 15 11.72%
Other 5 3.91%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 128. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-20-2007, 02:17 AM
 
Location: Inland Empire
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Default California vs. Oregon in Quality of Living?

I might be moving to Oregon in the near future. I was wondering how many Californian's have relocated to Oregon, Or are thinking about relocating to Oregon? I was born and raised in Oregon but I have been residing in Southern California for the last 3-4 years. The last time I lived in Oregon I was in high school and I won't mention how long ago that was. I have noticed that Oregon's population has significantly increased since 2000, and many come from Southern California! I have really enjoyed the time I have been in So Cal and I have grown tremendously as a person! But I feel it is time to return to Oregon & Beaver Nation! (Go Beavers in the CWS!)

I'm tired of Southern California for numerous reasons.
1) Cost of living is outrageous!
2) Where is the "Quality of life"?
3) Over populated. (traffic is awful everywhere & at all times)
4) Materialism rules here. (many desire to be rich & famous instead of helping one another)
5) High Crime (especially everywhere outside of O.C.)
6) Smog (Californians (I.E. Residents) like to call this "Marine Layer" Ha!)
7) Treated as another number instead of a human being.
8) Immigration is getting out of control (not to start a debate, but you can't ignore it.)

Now, let me just say that I have met many kind individuals since I've been here so I'm not bitter towards anyone or any group. No, not everyone in So Cal is rude, selfish, fake, materialistic or caught up in the "hamster wheel". But there are many who are (probably more than not), especially in a comparison to Oregonians. If I were raised in Southern California? I would have become accustomed to the lifestyle here and I may have become the "Hamster in the wheel" or the "Californian" stereotype? I feel Blessed to have been raised in Oregon, but also Blessed to experience Southern California as well. South Orange County is beautiful and if the cost of living wasn't so extremely high I could be very happy there. I just don't feel like being in debt my whole life, working until I'm 75, working three jobs, being a slave to my mortgage the rest of my life, while trying to keep up with the Jones', Smith's, etc..! All of these reasons while on a Teacher's salary!
Ok, that is my .02 My intent was not to upset anyone either!

Tell me, What do you think?
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:22 AM
 
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I don't think you can make it on a teacher's salary. But you won't be able to afford the most desirable parts of Oregon on that salary either.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Inland Empire
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Default That might be true?

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I don't think you can make it on a teacher's salary. But you won't be able to afford the most desirable parts of Oregon on that salary either.
Most teachers don't go into teaching for great salaries. But I would like to live middle class with a nice standard of living! I'm not a financial advisor or anything so I'm not sure if my information is correct? Let's say one makes $50,000-$60,000 per year in Southern California where the median home cost is around $645,000.
Ok, Now in Oregon one makes $35,000-$45,000 per year and the median home cost in $230,000. It looks to me that it is more affordable in Oregon. When you look at the ratio (50,000/645,000 for So Cal) & (35,000/230,000 for Oregon) Unless one has a trust fund or makes over $120,000 per year and has a spouse who makes over $30,000, I'm not sure how else you can do it?
I have heard of people going into a partnership. That to me is not true home ownership, plus you can't do anything with the home (especially sell) unless the partner agrees.

Here is an article I read:

RealEstateJournal | Orange County Ranks No. 2 On Most Expensive List

My opinion is eventually there will almost be an elimination of the "middle class" in Orange County and many areas of Southern California, what will be left is the Extremely wealthy and the lower class. The middle class will be forced to move, if they desire home ownership, cost of living index, and a better standard of living without being around crime and the ghetto. If you want NICE, then you better be willing to pay the PRICE!
I guess there is always the choice of changing careers? I just want to make a difference while I'm here on earth, leave behind a legacy. But doing so while comfortably enjoying living life as well.
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:52 PM
 
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Again, look into the most desirable neighberhoods/towns in Oregon and look at the prices (Ashland, Bend, and close in areas of Portland). They are not that far off desirable parts of Orange County (and some are just as high). The elimination of the "middle class" is not limited to Orange County. Consider NYC, Washington D.C., Seattle, SF. The desirable parts of Southern California are on a par with these areas, but it isn't unique to Southern California. Also, one who makes enough to live in a home that costs $650K is hardly "wealthy".
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:37 AM
 
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There are lots of areas in Oregon that have small populations so living on a middle class income is much easier there than it is here in socal. Just don't move anywhere near Portland which is getting more congested, more expensive and the people much angrier as the result of that.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire
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Post What are your opinions?

By looking at the following links, what is most important for you? I'm not trying to start a war between California and Oregon. I just want to hear your opinions! Maybe some of you can afford to live anywhere in the U.S.? Maybe some of you were born and raised in California? Maybe some of you bought into the housing market before the "BOOM"? Maybe some of you are weighing your options as to staying & struggling with finances, or moving to gain a better quality of living? Maybe some of you are affraid? What are your thoughts, opinons etc....?
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire
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Originally Posted by Educatorspeakingtruth View Post
By looking at the following links, what is most important for you? I'm not trying to start a war between California and Oregon. I just want to hear your opinions! Maybe some of you can afford to live anywhere in the U.S.? Maybe some of you were born and raised in California? Maybe some of you bought into the housing market before the "BOOM"? Maybe some of you are weighing your options as to staying & struggling with finances, or moving to gain a better quality of living? Maybe some of you are affraid? What are your thoughts, opinons etc....?
I apologize, I forgot to include the links.
Here they are! I hope they are of help to you:

Where Are the Best Places to Raise A Family? - Netscape Home & Real Estate

Quality of life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The Six Best Places to Start a Family In - Associated Content

Best Places to Live 2006 - Money Magazine

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Old 06-21-2007, 02:45 PM
 
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Can you add a poll choice for Rocky Mountain region? I'll probably move to Denver barring some massive positive change in my finances. Housing is simply too expensive here in OC.
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:15 AM
 
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1) Cost of living is outrageous!
2) Where is the "Quality of life"?
3) Over populated. (traffic is awful everywhere & at all times)
4) Materialism rules here. (many desire to be rich & famous instead of helping one another)
5) High Crime (especially everywhere outside of O.C.)
6) Smog (Californians (I.E. Residents) like to call this "Marine Layer" Ha!)
7) Treated as another number instead of a human being.
8) Immigration is getting out of control (not to start a debate, but you can't ignore it.)
Yea I hate living in CA for all those reasons too! I still live with the parents so it is rather easy for me to pack my bags and move elsewhere once I graduate from college. Right now I only make 8.50$/hr and if I were to move out and rent some place I would probably need about 2 other room mates just to afford a 1bed/1bath! Ouch, talk about a terrible way to live.

The main reason the cost of living is so high in CA is because of the housing bubble. If the housing was not so over priced and was at normal levels (ie. 300-400k median price) then it would be a substantially different situation. However, at current prices who in their right mind would consider purchasing a home???? Many of these home owners are simply in denial as they watch the fundamentals of their housing market implode on them.

As for where I am considering moving, probably Texas for the wide open spaces, decent amount of jobs and cheap real estate. I hate city life.
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Inland Empire
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Thumbs up I think it is a great choice!

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Yea I hate living in CA for all those reasons too! I still live with the parents so it is rather easy for me to pack my bags and move elsewhere once I graduate from college. Right now I only make 8.50$/hr and if I were to move out and rent some place I would probably need about 2 other room mates just to afford a 1bed/1bath! Ouch, talk about a terrible way to live.

The main reason the cost of living is so high in CA is because of the housing bubble. If the housing was not so over priced and was at normal levels (ie. 300-400k median price) then it would be a substantially different situation. However, at current prices who in their right mind would consider purchasing a home???? Many of these home owners are simply in denial as they watch the fundamentals of their housing market implode on them.

As for where I am considering moving, probably Texas for the wide open spaces, decent amount of jobs and cheap real estate. I hate city life.
I am surprised that you have come to the conclusions you have come to, especially being born and raised in California! Also you saw the light earlier than most do in their lives! Many in So Cal are in denial! I have many friends who recently moved to Dallas, and I have a few friends in Austin. They all love it! Both are growing and housing is affordable! Plus they have real BBQ! ! ! How could you go wrong? Good Luck in Texas!
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