Stop slamming OC (San Francisco, Orange: health, property, diverse)

[sweetclimber]

Originally Posted by Caliguy2007

I totally agree with you....Their are a few posters on here that are Inmature,Rude,Disrespectful and Silly and they know who they are.

It's funny that when you don't agree with someone that they call you rude, immature disrespectful and silly, kind of proves the point of MANY of us who feel this way about Orange County

[Caliguy2007]

I had a feeling you'll be responding to my post.

I honestly don't have a problem if anyone dislikes Orange County or Southern CA,but their are those that go way overboard in their distasteful comments.

I've been reading your comments and it's obvious that You and Sal Monella and others have had bad experiences while living here in CA,but not everyone in CA are having the same bad experiences as You or Sal, and your Lifestyle and Experiences can vary depending on your location.

Please don't put everyone and every place in the same boat,because it isn't fair,considering that over 37 million people of diverse backgrounds live in this state,and CA has an area over 158,000 square miles.

Originally Posted by sweetclimber

It's funny that when you don't agree with someone that they call you rude, immature disrespectful and silly, kind of proves the point of MANY of us who feel this way about Orange County

[Sal Monella]

Originally Posted by Caliguy2007

Please don't put everyone and every place in the same boat,because it isn't fair,considering that over 37 million people of diverse backgrounds live in this state,and CA has an area over 158,000 square miles.

You mean like when the evening news informs us that the Iraqis who shoot at us are ... "insurgents" when actually they're really patriots?. Or when our Retard-in-Chief says, "anyone who isn't with us is against us"? Or when I hear that the US is opposed to WMD's when in fact we not only have the greatest amounts of them, we were also the ONLY ones in the history of mankind to actually USE THEM.

You accept generalizations & stupid blanket statements like these ALL THE TIME and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. And these blanket statements result in the deaths of SCORES of innocent people. But go say something about the a-holes in OC and all of a sudden you've got a stick up your butt.

[JakeDog]

???? When determining what weight, if any, to give to the opinions of the people blasting OC, I think if you read in detail their posts that they have reasons unrelated to the reality of OC to hate OC. I really didn't like living in Dallas. In fact, I thought it was a dump. But I don't go on the Dallas board blasting Dallas. For some, it may be a decent place to live. I think many come on the board blasting OC b/c in the real world people who are familiar with the OC, and also the alleged paradises they are championing (Houston? Please), treat them with bewilderment. OC is expensive and suburban. It also has near perfect weather, low crime, good schools, awesome beaches, and is accessible to lots of great vacation and day trips. In the real world if you tell them it is awful, they will likely laugh (if they are familiar with it)

[Caliguy2007]

This is an Orange County Topic in a California Forum,so I have no idea why your bringing Iraq into this???

It's understandable if you dislike living in Orange County,because everyone has their own opinion,but your comments were way out of class.

Originally Posted by Sal Monella

You mean like when the evening news informs us that the Iraqis who shoot at us are ... "insurgents" when actually they're really patriots?. Or when our Retard-in-Chief says, "anyone who isn't with us is against us"? Or when I hear that the US is opposed to WMD's when in fact we not only have the greatest amounts of them, we were also the ONLY ones in the history of mankind to actually USE THEM.

You accept generalizations & stupid blanket statements like these ALL THE TIME and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. And these blanket statements result in the deaths of SCORES of innocent people. But go say something about the a-holes in OC and all of a sudden you've got a stick up your butt.

[Tim Currie]

You mean like when the evening news informs us that the Iraqis who shoot at us are ... "insurgents" when actually they're really patriots?. Or when our Retard-in-Chief says, "anyone who isn't with us is against us"? Or when I hear that the US is opposed to WMD's when in fact we not only have the greatest amounts of them, we were also the ONLY ones in the history of mankind to actually USE THEM.

You accept generalizations & stupid blanket statements like these ALL THE TIME and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. And these blanket statements result in the deaths of SCORES of innocent people. But go say something about the a-holes in OC and all of a sudden you've got a stick up your butt.

yeah what...???

I've been curiously reading these posts (who knows why) but what the hell does our "Retard-in-Chief" (haha that's great btw) and politics have to do with this????

[sweetclimber]

It's funny, this thread "stop slamming" could apply to every city in America, since every city has been "slammed". The difference as to why you see no other "stop slamming- insert any city here-" thread is because citizens in other places can accept constructive criticism while in Orange County they cannot!

[Sal Monella]

Originally Posted by Tim Currie

yeah what...???

I've been curiously reading these posts (who knows why) but what the hell does our "Retard-in-Chief" (haha that's great btw) and politics have to do with this????

Well, we're talking about 'generalizations' here and several posters have responded by stating that I'm 'generalizing' on OC and how unacceptable generalizing is.

I mentioned Iraq to show just how much we do indeed accept generalizations on a daily basis and to point out how NO ONE seems to mind generalizing certain topics yet feel offended when generalizing others.

For example, they say I can't lump a whole county of hundreds of thousands of OC inhabitants together and call them superficial, materialistic and shallow. Yet everyone blindly accepts lumping a whole nation of people (the Iraqis) together and calling them 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' when all they're really doing is exercising their God-given right to blow illegal foreign invaders within their country (that means us) to pieces.

We generalize about other countries reasons for wanting WMD's (which BTW are always the WRONG reasons; they want to kill us, they want to start a war, they want to provoke us) and yet WE already have the greatest worldwide arsenal of WMD's AND we're the only ones who've actually used them against human beings in both Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

Lemme 'generalize' a little more here; has it ever ocurred to anyone that maybe the other countries want their own WMD's to protect themselves against us?.

We generalize and call ourselves a just nation, standing up for the weak & disenfranchised. Then we turn around and invade defenseless little countries like Grenada and Panama.

We generalize and call ourselves defenders of freedom and yet we're currently running a world-wide system of clandestine jails & torture centers.

We generalize and say we want 'each country to have the government they freely elect' and then spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lives uselessly trying to bomb & invade countries like Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba (among others) into democracy. If a country (such as Chile) decides they want to have a Socialist government, we send the CIA to whack their new president (Allende).

And yet when I refer to a little Southern Cali county as an obvious backwater ****hole of uncultured, shallow materialism I get criticized for generalizing.

Pleeze.

[Tressa]

I agree with every area gets slammed at one time or another and they're are numerous folks that take that personal, I grew up in Orange County "Garden Grove" I moved out in 1975 been back once 1987 with my kids and decided I wouldn't subject my kids to California in whole. But thats my opinion, my kids went back down on their own and decided it wasn't for them so thats all ok.

[FunkyMonk]

Originally Posted by Sal Monella

Well, we're talking about 'generalizations' here and several posters have responded by stating that I'm 'generalizing' on OC and how unacceptable generalizing is.

I mentioned Iraq to show just how much we do indeed accept generalizations on a daily basis and to point out how NO ONE seems to mind generalizing certain topics yet feel offended when generalizing others.

For example, they say I can't lump a whole county of hundreds of thousands of OC inhabitants together and call them superficial, materialistic and shallow. Yet everyone blindly accepts lumping a whole nation of people (the Iraqis) together and calling them 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' when all they're really doing is exercising their God-given right to blow illegal foreign invaders within their country (that means us) to pieces.

We generalize about other countries reasons for wanting WMD's (which BTW are always the WRONG reasons; they want to kill us, they want to start a war, they want to provoke us) and yet WE already have the greatest worldwide arsenal of WMD's AND we're the only ones who've actually used them against human beings in both Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

Lemme 'generalize' a little more here; has it ever ocurred to anyone that maybe the other countries want their own WMD's to protect themselves against us?.

We generalize and call ourselves a just nation, standing up for the weak & disenfranchised. Then we turn around and invade defenseless little countries like Grenada and Panama.

We generalize and call ourselves defenders of freedom and yet we're currently running a world-wide system of clandestine jails & torture centers.

We generalize and say we want 'each country to have the government they freely elect' and then spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lives uselessly trying to bomb & invade countries like Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba (among others) into democracy. If a country (such as Chile) decides they want to have a Socialist government, we send the CIA to whack their new president (Allende).

And yet when I refer to a little Southern Cali county as an obvious backwater ****hole of uncultured, shallow materialism I get criticized for generalizing.

Pleeze.

People say you can't generalize a region, but in many cases, generalizing a region is completely accurate. The geographic area in which a person lives has a certain culture, and the majority of the inhabitants of that region usually conform knowingly, or unknowingly to the culture, it's a powerful force on a persons personality, especially that young people. This is obvious and is learned early on in Sociology and Anthropology classes.

In Orange County, there is a strong culture of conservative, ultra right-wing, wealthy white people. This is a fact, and most OC residents like to keep OC this way. The recent history of the OC has been built by these kinds of people and it is definantly reflected in the overall culture. It has become ultra-individualistic, snobby, materialistic, greedy, pompus and plastic.

Money truely is more important than family or religion to many in the OC. Although they will never admit this of course, their lifestyle says it loud and clear.

Just like when all the money is taken out of an area, it will become "ghetto" and begin to get that culture. When you have too much money, mixed with idealogies that everyone in the region shares. It WILL create a very distinct culture in that area.

In the OC, there is such a distinct culture, entirely based on money and power. You all created it to be that way. It's OBVIOUS to everyone that that's how it is there. You all seem to like it that way. So why don't you all just ADMIT that this is the world you're living in?

I think the bottom line is this. YES OC has a greedy, impersonal, rich, ultra right-wing culture. YES, people in OC are rude, ultra-individualistic, pompus and competetive. And YES, if you are not rich, white and willing to conform to the communities strict standards, you will be disrespected. That's just how it is there.

Some people like it that way. Personally I think that culture is one of the fakest, most uptight and limiting ways of living. But regardless of your opinion about it, it IS like that there, so be ready for that if you move there.