Non Hispanic Whites are fleeing Orange County...down 8.9% since 2000...White Flight (Los Angeles: employment, buy)

[Guineas]

Originally Posted by AllenSJC

Ok, so a lot of them are in poverty and lack education. What are we gonna do about that?

There's not enough money in the world to educate people who don't care to assimilate to mainstream American society.

How is it possible that American-born children of Asian immigrants do so much better in every socioeconomic indicator than American-born children of illegal immigrants from Latin America? Maybe it's because the Asians parents want their kids to be well assimilated and to adopt the good parts of American culture, because they respect this country that they have legally settled at?

Irish-Americans in New England are far more similar to WASPs than their Irish brethren in Ireland today. JFK was Irish Catholic, but epitomized the American preppy WASP. Ralph Lauren, the inventor of Polo, is Jewish. Every past wave of immigrants to the US has learned to speak English and adopt much of the Anglo-Saxon values of our founding fathers. Except this most recent Hispanic wave. There is absolutely no reason why American-born children of illegal immigrants are still in ESL classes, but they are.

[Sealtite]

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

-Theodore Roosevelt 1907

[Bigjoneohone]

because of gangs and drugs,

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

if they leave its white flight, if they come its gentrification. anyway it goes wasp is wrong?

Yup. Born wrong.

[GoldenZephyr]

Part of the problem is what passes for "bilingualism" these days. Being fluent in Castilian myself (Spanish for those of not familiar with the Hispanosphere) I am appalled at what passes for "Spanish fluency" these days. 95+% of so called bilingual people in SoCal have a proficiency in English AND Spanish that is barely above the 6th grade level. If you are going to speak a language, at least read write and converse at a high school level, perhaps a collegiate level.

I had friends from Barcelona here a month ago and when we were out, they would hear all the "peasant Spanish" being spoken and nearly wept at the sullying of the language and were in no way surprised at American revulsion at illegal immigration. We all found it was difficult to converse with most unless we butchered the beautiful Spanish language and spoke at an elementary school level. Ever wonder why most of the elite in Latin America look, speak, and culturally share nothing those coming here? It is sad, if more people were exposed to the richness and beauty of both classic and refined Spanish culture, I think that much of the anger would not exist. Unfortunately they are exposed to the most base elements that represent little of the Spanish culture.

If you are going to be multicultural, at least demand a level of excellence from both. However, this fetish with low grade bilingualism wherein both languages are spoken at a mediocre level at best is truly saddening. In the end, we end up with two cultures both spiraling into decline driven largely by grade school levels of thinking and reasoning because they people have never been expected to perform at a higher level, and in the many cases, worshiped for their so called multilingualism.

[BlackShoe]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Perhaps they enjoy being around people who speak the predominant language of the country, English, at least for now.

Perhaps they don't wish to be inundated with another country's culture and like American culture, what's left of it, as it is.

Perhaps they don't want their children to go to schools dumbed-down to accomodate and over-burdened with non-English speaking students.

Perhaps they don't care for people who break the country's laws to get here and have no regard for the rule of law - not all of them by any means but far too many.

Perhaps they don't like the idea of having become minorities in their own country.

And maybe, just maybe, if they wished to spend their time around Mexicans and their way of life they'd move to....well....Mexico. The same applies to immigrants from other countries as well.

Just a few possibilities.

Originally Posted by sjnative

Political Incorrectness alert! This man must be ignorant. Someone teach him how to think correctly.

Ah yes, non PC Long may it live. While many of us have the same thoughts expressed in the first quote, we have been unable to act on them because of political opposition from our leaders at both the state and federal level. As a person that resides in an area very heavily populated by illegals, I can assure all that there are some very, very angry citizens that are frustrated and out of patience with the situation. This is why so many have left, and for many that remain, the tension continues to simmer.

[Fontucky]

Golden Zephyr: You expect Mexicans and Spanish speakers from this part of the world to speak the Spanish of Spain? That's a bit snooty. That reminds me of the British opinion of all other forms of English.

Are the Castilian speakers the ones who make sibilants into "th"?

[GoldenZephyr]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Golden Zephyr: You expect Mexicans and Spanish speakers from this part of the world to speak the Spanish of Spain?

No, I know to typically avoid a vosotros conjugation in my interactions with Spanish speakers in the Americas. However, I do expect a level of proficiency and mastery from those who crone about being "bilingual". In the US, most barely have a literacy level above 6th grade in both Spanish and English of any kind, in any dialect. That low of a communication fluency being acceptable in any language in a country like the United States is simply appalling. This limitation extends to thought and reasoning. As I stated, you notice a distinct difference from US Spanish speakers and those THROUGHOUT the Hispanosphere who captain industry, advance cultural enlightenment, and dwell in the fields of science and art. They look, sound, and most importantly think differently than the vast majority of US Spanish speakers. The declasse nature of US Spanish culture unsurprisingly generates the revulsion that many Americans feel.

Anhelo por el lodo indeed.

When the highest level of US cultural achievement is J-Lo, you know that you're in trouble.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by GoldenZephyr

When the highest level of US cultural achievement is J-Lo, you know that you're in trouble.

I was right... nose firmly in the air, brows arched.

[JakeRoberts]

Why do Asians generally get higher marks than Latinos? Lincoln High students have candid ideas.



Asian Students | Trying to bridge the grade divide - Los Angeles Times


Very interesting article. You had asian and latino students that both came from immigrant families, both lived in the same community, both had the same socio economic status, yet the asian students were much higher academically achieving then the latino students.