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Old 10-12-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I always assumed that it was short for "the 405 freeway", "the 5 freeway", etc. Just say "the 405" or "the 5".

As far as freeways not having route numbers that would probably only happen if they were built outside of the federal or state network with no federal or state money. Because even non-freeways (like Hwy 39/Beach Boulevard) get numbers if they are part of the state network.

The only freeway that I know of that does not have a number is the very end of the Long Beach Freeway in Long Beach near downtown. The 710 splits to go to Terminal Island and the eastern spur while considered to be a freeway by Caltrans was built and is maintained entirely by the city of Long Beach so it has no number. However as I type this I see that wikipedia says that it is now signed "710" starting at Ocean Boulevard. I know that Long Beach wanted Caltrans to maintain it (which was the reason that I had heard about it several years ago) so maybe that came to pass and it's now the 710.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Being a Northeasterner my entire life, I don't understand why on earth people would say "the 405." It's not grammatically correct. The proper way to say it is "405," as in "you should take 405 to get there." Or "there's a lot of traffic on 405 right now." Or, as is commonly said, "take route 405 to get there."
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Being a Northeasterner my entire life, I don't understand why on earth people would say "the 405." It's not grammatically correct. The proper way to say it is "405," as in "you should take 405 to get there." Or "there's a lot of traffic on 405 right now." Or, as is commonly said, "take route 405 to get there."
If "the 405" is short for "the 405 freeway" then it is grammatically correct.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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14 pages on the"the" in "the 405?" Bring it on! This is English as she is spoken and broken. It's one of the few genuine regional differences left.

This is the first time I've seen the "the" in freeway designations compared to the "the" in bus route numbers. Interesting. That comparison would tend to support the idea that the "the" shows a feeling of familiarity. "The 38 bus" tells you I know all about it, am referring to it with a number like the transit agency does.

Contradictory theory: "The 405" and so on derive from using names for freeways, like the "San Diego Freeway." But names get to be a pain if you have to use more than two or three of them. Southern California has a lot of freeways, with many people traveling different freeways at least occasionally. So one wants to use numbers, easier to keep them straight, especially since the numbers are organized in a more or less rational fashion (albeit that the state and the feds use different numbering conventions). So the number 405 gets substituted in to those freeway names, but keeps its "the". Speculating.

If you think of the two directions of the 405 as separate, then it could be the 810.

Nice to know that whatever you call it, folks can handle a short closure of a segment I-405 without hysteria and panic.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:27 AM
 
Location: GLAMA
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Or, as is commonly said, "take route 405 to get there."
Nobody says "route" in So Cal, unless it prefaces "66" or appends "ridge." We also don't use the words "expressway" and "thruway." Those are just a few examples of why we're so f'in wonderful.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Nobody says "route" in So Cal, unless it prefaces "66" or appends "ridge." We also don't use the words "expressway" and "thruway." Those are just a few examples of why we're so f'in wonderful.
Well there are the Amtrak Thruway buses.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: GLAMA
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Like I said...
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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I grew up and lived in SoCal for 36 years, currently in the Midwest for 18 years and find myself using "the" for interstates/highways around here. I'm frequently asked if I'm from SoCal.

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Old 10-13-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Newport Coast, California
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It is grammatically correct, just abbreviated to exclude the word "freeway" as in "the 405 freeway"

But, it is also because coastal southern california is so awesome that once any interstate crosses its storied boundary, it becomes legend.

North, south, east or west, there will only be one stretch of interstate 5, 10, 15, of any significance and that is why it is THE 5, THE 15, THE 405 for as long as it is in SoCal!

Once you leave this famed soil, you can call it whatever you like: Route (roote), I-?, Turnpike, number only, great! Once it is out of socal, it has lost its significance and definitive qualities.

Long live Southern California!
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: SNA=>PDX 2013
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I can't believe I read all this. I'm a native Californian, I will say I'm from SoCal, have used Cali, but not very often if ever. Yes I call it Frisco and I know you NorCal ppl hate it, but whatevers, I've heard you call it The OC. Obviously I preface my highways with "the", but I have to admit, when I first started driving, the names of the freeways were still being used.

And therefore, I leave you with the two things I hate about CA freeways.

The 91
It is the Gardena Freeway, the Artesia Freeway, and the Riverside Freeway all in one.
When you come from Vegas, it let's you know that Beach Cities is to the West, although the beach isn't anywhere near that part of the freeway. There are others like this too.

Using city names for directions.
I have ended up in Santa Monica way too many times when I really wanted to go inland. But when I'm inland, heading West is "Santa Monica". But once you pass a certain point, "Santa Monica" now becomes East. WTH!

Loved the thread. Keep it going.
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