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Old 03-03-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Lake Forest, CA
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The southern half of Orange County has bike lanes or a decent width shoulder along almost every major through street. I pedal my bike about 8000 miles per year along those streets. I bike commute every work day of the year and also use the bike for local errands. This is bicycle paradise compared to almost anywhere else in the US. It is true that there is not a high percentage of people who bike and walk for errands or transportation in many parts of OC. However, around Santa Ana, Anaheim and Tustin I see lots of people out on the streets walking to the store or using bikes to get from A to B.

Today I was visiting in downtown LA and saw a Chevron gas station just a few blocks from Union Station with prices at over $5 per gallon. When that becomes more common around here, we might see a few more people walking or riding a bike for local errands.
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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However, around Santa Ana, Anaheim and Tustin I see lots of people out on the streets walking to the store or using bikes to get from A to B.
That's called poverty and/or no license.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I am down by South Coast Plaza and frequently find I am the only one on the sidewalk when I walk. At night it feels weird, and somewhat unsafe (though not sure it is). As a result I end up driving more than I would like.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:23 PM
 
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I am down by South Coast Plaza and frequently find I am the only one on the sidewalk when I walk. At night it feels weird, and somewhat unsafe (though not sure it is). As a result I end up driving more than I would like.
I feel the same when I am taking a walk to after the sun goes down, and I pass by someone else walking in the opposite direction, I feel a little tense. If there were more people walking around, i'd feel safer.

I've also seen people cross the street and walk on the other side of the road right before passing me. Yes, it could be coincidence, or it could be they feel unsafe too.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:26 PM
 
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Maybe you've never been to the beach. Tons of walkers and bicyclists in every beach community
I was riding down PCH today, and it was a warm sunny gorgeous day, and there were tons of people walking, jogging, and cycling, and thats great.

But when i'm away from the beach, and it's not sunny or warm, or its a weekday early evening? Hardly anyone is walking or biking.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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The southern half of Orange County has bike lanes or a decent width shoulder along almost every major through street. I pedal my bike about 8000 miles per year along those streets. I bike commute every work day of the year and also use the bike for local errands. This is bicycle paradise compared to almost anywhere else in the US. It is true that there is not a high percentage of people who bike and walk for errands or transportation in many parts of OC. However, around Santa Ana, Anaheim and Tustin I see lots of people out on the streets walking to the store or using bikes to get from A to B.

Today I was visiting in downtown LA and saw a Chevron gas station just a few blocks from Union Station with prices at over $5 per gallon. When that becomes more common around here, we might see a few more people walking or riding a bike for local errands.
I feel lucky to live in an area that has amazing climate, and dozens of beautiful trails for running and biking, and wide roads with bike lanes and well maintained sidewalks.

But the fewer pedestrians and cyclists there are, the less awareness there is, and the less awareness there is, the more drivers do things like: not looking both ways when they pull out of a parking lot and hit a runner or skateboarder, or making a right turn on a red light and cutting off someone on a bike. Or opening their car door without checking to see if the bike lane is clear, and taking out a cyclist.

The fact that our only public transportation is a limited bus system should only make these other forms of transportation more appealing.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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That's called poverty and/or no license.
It's that kind of stigmatizing, and associating people that walk, or bike, with being poor, that's doing a disservice to your community.

I know there are people out there who wont walk to a store because they don't want to look like a poor person, and that's pretty damn sad.
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:03 AM
 
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It's that kind of stigmatizing, and associating people that walk, or bike, with being poor, that's doing a disservice to your community.

I know there are people out there who wont walk to a store because they don't want to look like a poor person, and that's pretty damn sad.
Sorry. I call 'em like I see 'em.
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:54 AM
 
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It's that kind of stigmatizing, and associating people that walk, or bike, with being poor, that's doing a disservice to your community.

I know there are people out there who wont walk to a store because they don't want to look like a poor person, and that's pretty damn sad.
This is the problem I have to contend with here in the OC. I hate driving, and I need the exercise. But whenever I walk to my errands, I feel like people driving by probably think I'm a bag lady. And the only others I see walking in the area to and from those businesses and along those busy streets are unlicensed day laborers and crazy homeless people pushing grocery carts full of trash. So I feel really out of place, not to mention that all those drivers going by can get really noisy and the air is somewhat polluted. It's not the same as walking near the beach and hearing seagulls and waves crashing and smelling fresh salt air. Or taking a relaxing stroll through the neighborhood in the evening and hearing the crickets chirp and smelling the Star Jasmine.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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This thread reminds me of the short story "The Pedestrian" by Ray Bradbury:

http://mikejmoran.typepad.com/files/...bradbury-1.pdf
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