OC in 2058? (Orange, San Andreas, San Lucas: earthquakes, costs, moving)

[Charles]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuest

Guys, it's simple:

I wonder if it is not a technology problem but rather a political/economic problem (and the word "problem" is relative, better word "condition"?). After all The Berlin wall was erected and it pretty much worked. A wall could have been built a long time ago. Modern technology could probably do it today fairly quickly and successfully.

Lobbyists for agriculture (Dole? Sunkist? etc.), the building industry, and consumers in general (who don't want to pay $7 for a hamburger and $33 to have their car washed) may be the reason why the situation continues?

And yes, the different political voices in the community also probably have an influence as to whether drastic actions are taken.

[tudorjason]

I think half of it will be in the Pacific because of the Big One. Wealthy people will live on islands that are currently the peaks of the hills in OC.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by tudorjason

I think half of it will be in the Pacific because of the Big One. Wealthy people will live on islands that are currently the peaks of the hills in OC.

Yes, because an earthquake can actually do that. Where do people get this ideas?

[tudorjason]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

Yes, because an earthquake can actually do that. Where do people get this ideas?

You've never heard that the Big One will change the geography of California? I did take it to an extreme, but my thoughts aren't completely unrealistic. If you think that such an event is not possible, perhaps you should read up on some theories of, for instance, how Atlantis became lost or how the Black Sea was formed.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by tudorjason

You've never heard that the Big One will change the geography of California? I did take it to an extreme, but my thoughts aren't completely unrealistic. If you think that such an event is not possible, perhaps you should read up on some theories of, for instance, how Atlantis became lost or how the Black Sea was formed.

This isn't the place for fairy tales.

If you knew anything about geology, you'd know that a single earthquake on the San Andreas fault isn't going to make anything fall into the ocean.

[cobmw]

Want a different perspective on people moving to California? Take a few cab rides. I use cabs a lot in OC. The drivers are from all over the world: Africa, Mid East, Asia, Russia you name it. To a man every one is thankful to be here and is trying to improve himself by going to community college, learning English and planning for the future. They all see the US government give- away programs as strange and unhealthy - they had nothing like that where they came from and most don't want any part of it here.

Then look at those sneaking across our southern border. By and large they are satisfied to do manual labor, speak Spanish and they are happy to take government (tax) money.

In any case regardless of their circumstances I don't see how we can accomodate the millions who sneak in here in addtition to the 900,000 that we let come here legally each year.

[tudorjason]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

This isn't the place for fairy tales.

If you knew anything about geology, you'd know that a single earthquake on the San Andreas fault isn't going to make anything fall into the ocean.

A normal, single earthquake wouldn't cause such a catastrophic event. But I thought I started the thread on talking about the Big One. You would agree that the Big One isn't a normal event, right? The Big One is supposed to be felt across the entire Western half of North America. The part I said of wealthy people living on little islands that are currently peaks in OC is the fantasy part. But all my life I have heard that the Big One will cause anything West of the fault in California to drop. You probably are aware that in certain earthquakes, the land drops, right? The drop could be severe enough that it falls into the ocean.

I'm not trying to be rude, it just seems like you are automatically dismissing something without even trying to research or learn of other possibilities? It doesn't make you gullible, it makes you open-minded.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by tudorjason

A normal, single earthquake wouldn't cause such a catastrophic event. But I thought I started the thread on talking about the Big One. You would agree that the Big One isn't a normal event, right? The Big One is supposed to be felt across the entire Western half of North America. The part I said of wealthy people living on little islands that are currently peaks in OC is the fantasy part. But all my life I have heard that the Big One will cause anything West of the fault in California to drop. You probably are aware that in certain earthquakes, the land drops, right? The drop could be severe enough that it falls into the ocean.

I'm not trying to be rude, it just seems like you are automatically dismissing something without even trying to research or learn of other possibilities? It doesn't make you gullible, it makes you open-minded.

The problem in your thinking is that the San Andreas is a strike slip fault. The plates are moving past eachother. LA is slowing moving toward San Francisco, not away from Nevada or down. "The Big One" isn't going to be a magnitude 100 quake. It'll be 8-9 which is certainly big, but not anything that would make any part of the state lose hundreds of feet of elevation.

LiveScience.com: Life's Little Mysteries - Will California Ever Fall into the Ocean? (http://www.livescience.com/mysteries/070220_california_fault.html - broken link)

[tudorjason]

I asked one of my co-workers right after I posted my previous response about what she thought. She's 60-something and had lived in California her whole life up until 10 years ago. She actually said basically the same thing as you, and added that she's heard scientists refute exactly what I've been taught, heard, and read.

So I thought about what I had posted before and realized that it is definitely unthinkable that such an event will happen, but I can't help thinking about the examples I brought up before, like the Black Sea and Atlantis.

[cottonwood2420]

Originally Posted by WannaBNorCal

That list won't exist - when OC is either taken off the map by the Big One, or a tsunami in a few years.

They've been talking about that for years and it still hasn't happened.