Orange County Homeless Thread (San Francisco, Sacramento: school district, cost of living, vs)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I've gotten that 70% figure from every single homeless count that I have read for California, LA, Sacramento and San Francisco. Those reports are published every year and are online. Since I've mentioned that figure more than a few times and provided a link to the reports I don't see any reason to do it again.

"pre-homeless"? What are you talking about, they aren't included in any homeless count because you count homeless people not those who might become homeless

Who does the sampling? Is it advocacy groups and governmental bodies that defer to advocacy groups? Is the sampling done in all areas? The answer of course is that they don’t know and the data is unreliable.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Who does the sampling? Is it advocacy groups and governmental bodies that defer to advocacy groups? Is the sampling done in all areas? The answer of course is that they don’t know and the data is unreliable.

It's public information, if you are curious look it up for yourself.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

It's not about being too harsh, it's about the absurdity of thinking that people who are homeless had the foresight or means to do the things that were suggested in that post. It also ignores the fact that over 70% of the homeless did not 'move to a high priced rental market' they last had their residence in the same area that they are now homeless and most likely lacked the resources to move somewhere else.

Which has been stated repeatedly on all these threads.

I think that there are people posting here who really don't want to do anything to change this problem. It's just easier for them to complain about how bad it is.

An article on how Utah worked on their homeless problem. Granted, a much smaller state, with a different population and lower housing costs.

"Even though Utah is committed to Housing First, there still isn't enough housing for every one of the chronically homeless. And so the group has to assess need, and match the right apartment opening with the right person."

Utah Reduced Chronic Homelessness By 91 Percent; Here's How: https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/45910...cent-heres-how

[Finper]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Who does the sampling? Is it advocacy groups and governmental bodies that defer to advocacy groups? Is the sampling done in all areas? The answer of course is that they don’t know and the data is unreliable.

It is unreliable because if a guy moves here from Kansas and sleeps on a friends sofa for a few months before getting kicked out on the streets they count that guy as a local resident of that area. There's no time limit on how long you stay in a dwelling to be counted as a local.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Finper

It is unreliable because if a guy moves here from Kansas and sleeps on a friends sofa for a few months before getting kicked out on the streets they count that guy as a local resident of that area. There's no time limit on how long you stay in a dwelling to be counted as a local.

Doesn't sound like it. I doubt that homeless residents of Orange County are any different than the homeless residents in L.A. in terms of where they resided before counts were taken.

According to the most recent homelessness survey by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, or LAHSA, 72 percent of adults experiencing homelessness have lived in Los Angeles County for more than 20 years, and 87 percent of them have lived here for more than five years.

https://documents.lahsa.org/Planning...HC-Results.pdf

[Finper]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Doesn't sound like it. I doubt that homeless residents of Orange County are any different than the homeless residents in L.A. in terms of where they resided before counts were taken.

According to the most recent homelessness survey by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, or LAHSA, 72 percent of adults experiencing homelessness have lived in Los Angeles County for more than 20 years, and 87 percent of them have lived here for more than five years.

https://documents.lahsa.org/Planning...HC-Results.pdf

Yea homeless are so trustworthy. They would never lie. Exactly how long does a person live here before they are a resident? What's the time limit?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Finper

Yea homeless are so trustworthy. They would never lie. Exactly how long does a person live here before they are a resident? What's the time limit?

Usually people have a motive for lying and for the life of me I can't think why a homeless people would feel they could gain something by lying about how long they have lived in the area

There is no requirement for anyone, homeless or otherwise, to live in a place for a certain amount of time before they can consider themself a resident.

[pittsflyer]

If I were going to be homeless I would do it in San Diego

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Finper

Yea homeless are so trustworthy. They would never lie. Exactly how long does a person live here before they are a resident?

Since period of residency is broken down from 1-7 days, a week to a month, a month to a year, 1-5 years, 5-10 years, 10-20 years, and > 20 years--and place of origin is determined--there must have been methods to verify this data.

https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=1...ull-report.pdf

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Since period of residency is broken down from 1-7 days, a week to a month, a month to a year, 1-5 years, 5-10 years, 10-20 years, and > 20 years--and place of origin is determined--there must have been methods to verify this data.

https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=1...ull-report.pdf

Some do not like to see it as a CA problem rather than a problem shipped in from other States. It is a National problem and CA is just one of the worst.


The problem is; there is no real solution.