OC is totally blue (Bakersfield, Garden Grove: statistics, garden, cars)

[TCROX]

Crash the border- the Danish love that.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by Finper

Yea I'm aware it's socialist. I was using it as a comparison ... their global innovation vs liberal Californias.

The only thing stopping California from being more innovative and on the same playing field as Denmark are the naggers, complainers, racists, homphobes and doomsayers who want to see California fail. These are the people who live in places like Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi and Texas and they happen to control Washington D.C. at the moment.

When they realized California wasn't going to seismically split off and fall into the ocean, they started wishing doom on our economy.

When our economy is humming along and prospering, they want to poach businesses from us and get them to move to red states.

When that doesn't work, they actively starting wishing California fails, just because wishing is all that they've got left.

I find it hypocritical of you to praise Denmark, a society that is far more "liberal" and left-leaning than California, while wishing to cripple California for having a relatively modest form of liberalism.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

The only thing stopping California from being more innovative and on the same playing field as Denmark are the naggers, complainers, racists, homphobes and doomsayers who want to see California fail. These are the people who live in places like Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi and Texas and they happen to control Washington D.C. at the moment.

When they realized California wasn't going to seismically split off and fall into the ocean, they started wishing doom on our economy.

When our economy is humming along and prospering, they want to poach businesses from us and get them to move to red states.

When that doesn't work, they actively starting wishing California fails, just because wishing is all that they've got left.

I find it hypocritical of you to praise Denmark, a society that is far more "liberal" and left-leaning than California, while wishing to cripple California for having a relatively modest form of liberalism.

Since when has Ca done anything the Feds want? We're at war with Trump. Everything you wrote above is a bunch of bs.

I was waiting for you to start blaming other states and Trump for Ca downfall.

Other states don't need to poach our business anymore businesses are fleeing to greener pastures all on their own

[LuvSouthOC]

Denmark is not a truly socialist country and has stressed this over and over again. See: https://www.investors.com/politics/c...-it-socialist/

To be socialist, the means of production must be state owned. By the way, Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of American want to eliminate free market control over the means of production, real socialism and communism lite.

Americans throw around the term socialist far too often and in inappropriate settings. California is not really socialist nor is Denmark. Denmark is a very high tax country, however.

Personally I love Denmark and will actually be there fairly soon. The concern with ever increasing safety nets is their great cost. Other than that, a broad safety net works very well in some countries. However, the United States lacks the relative homogeneity of Denmark, making mirroring Denmark very difficult. Repeated studies have shown that people have no problem paying for taxes for people who are “like them”. In a country as diverse as ours, people are more Balkanized and less willing to help others. Moreover, California is but one state in the United States, a country with an enormous immigration rate. Coupling the safety net with millions of immigrants simply will be unsustainable.


One more thing: Denmark spends far less on defense than does th US. Denmark is thus subsidized by the United States.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Denmark is not a truly socialist country and has stressed this over and over again. See: https://www.investors.com/politics/c...-it-socialist/

To be socialist, the means of production must not be state owned. By the way, Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of American want to eliminate free market control over the means of production, real socialism and communism lite.

Americans throw around the term socialist far too often and in inappropriate settings. California is not really socialist nor is Denmark. Denmark is a very high tax country, however.

Personally I love Denmark and will actually be there fairly soon. The concern with ever increasing safety nets is their great cost. Other than that, a broad safety net works very well in some countries. However, the United States lacks the relative homogeneity of Denmark, making mirroring Denmark very difficult. Repeated studies have shown that people have no problem paying for taxes for people who are “like them”. In a country as diverse as ours, people are more Balkanized and less willing to help others. Moreover, California is but one state in the United States, a country with an enormous immigration rate. Coupling the safety net with millions of immigrants simply will be unsustainable.


One more thing: Denmark spends far less on defense than does th US. Denmark is thus subsidized by the United States.

Indeed.. I'm Swedish also. I'm proud to be Danish embarrassed to be Swedish

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Denmark is not a truly socialist country and has stressed this over and over again. See: https://www.investors.com/politics/c...-it-socialist/

To be socialist, the means of production must not be state owned. By the way, Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of American want to eliminate free market control over the means of production, real socialism and communism lite.

Americans throw around the term socialist far too often and in inappropriate settings. California is not really socialist nor is Denmark. Denmark is a very high tax country, however.

Personally I love Denmark and will actually be there fairly soon. The concern with ever increasing safety nets is their great cost. Other than that, a broad safety net works very well in some countries. However, the United States lacks the relative homogeneity of Denmark, making mirroring Denmark very difficult. Repeated studies have shown that people have no problem paying for taxes for people who are “like them”. In a country as diverse as ours, people are more Balkanized and less willing to help others. Moreover, California is but one state in the United States, a country with an enormous immigration rate. Coupling the safety net with millions of immigrants simply will be unsustainable.


One more thing: Denmark spends far less on defense than does th US. Denmark is thus subsidized by the United States.

This is mostly true ... except for your irrational fear of Bernie and the evil democratic socialists

Denmark, like most of Europe is very socially progressive, not “socialist”. (Btw: you wrote that to be socialist industry must not be state owned ... and I assume you meant the opposite.)

California isn’t even in the same league.

And the Bernie democratic socialists may well yet gain office(s) including the White House. But even if they do, they won’t flip America socialist ... for reasons including what you point out about homogeneity.

Still funny that someone like Finper who rails daily about the socialist leanings of California is making positive comparisons with highly progressive Denmark.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

Indeed.. I'm Swedish also. I'm proud to be Danish embarrassed to be Swedish

Oh? I thought you were an American ...

[kttam186290]

To be truly "Socialist" means that you believe the workers should own and control the means of production and wealth should be spread equally among workers.

Nowhere in the world, outside of a few Amish townships and a couple of kibbutzes in Israel, has this ever worked.

That being said, it is people on the political right in this country who keep pushing the false narrative that Democrats are "socialist" and anything California does is "socialism".

The Democratic Party's furthest left are merely advocates of Keynesian economics, which is also not socialist, but relies on capitalism. Keynesianism is usually the last-ditch effort an industrialized nation utilizes to save capitalism from destroying itself.

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as they stands currently, would be considered center-right in Europe. The things they are advocating: workplace protections, universal health care, more stringent regulations on big business are things that EVERYONE in Europe believes in, be they part of the leftist Labour/ Social Democratic parties or the right-leaning Christian Unionists and Tories.

If California were part of Europe, it would be Europe's most economically conservative, free-market oriented government.

My issue with Finper is that she thinks Denmark is correct in wanting to be progressive, green-minded and Keynesian, but bashes California for wanting to have the same things. Why???

It boils down to one thing, which LuvSouthOC hinted at, and that's racism, pure and simple.

Like I said in another recent post, all of these white conservatives are perfectly fine with Pedro cutting your lawn for a discount, but God forbid Pedro get sick and need MediCal....then all hell breaks loose and we must either "build a wall" or "move to Arizona".

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by max210

A precinct reported 120% voter turnout. Please show me where I stated "voter fraud".

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-120-turnout/

I hate to break it to you, but it's not anything remarkable or attributable to fraud

• Same day registration is allowed and those voters would not appear on the precinct list
• Only party affiliated voters appear on the list, those who don't are not enumerated
• Some people vote in a different precinct than the one that is assigned thus skewing the results.

From the MIT/Caltech voting integrity project

We note two outliers.
One outlier is precinct 38083, which is currently reporting 465 registered voters, 387 ballots cast, for
a turnout of 83.23%. Precinct 38083 was at Valencia Elementary School in Laguna Hills, and was
consolidated with precinct 38312. Precinct 38312 has 1086 registered voters, and is now reporting
484 ballots cast, for a turnout of 44.75%. It’s likely that due to the consolidation, some voters from
precinct 38312 have been recorded as voting in precinct 38083.

The second outlier is precinct 25382, which is now reporting 670 registered voters, 674 ballots
cast, for a turnout of 100.6%. This precinct was at The Regency in Laguna Woods, and was not a consolidated polling location. OCROV performed a forensic investigation into this outlier, and found that the “Judge’s Booth Controller” (or “JBC”) assigned to precinct 25382 was used at precinct 25234; the JBC for precinct 25234 was at precinct 25382, but was not used, and no votes were cast using that JBC. Further analysis by OCROV of the votes cast at each polling place confirm this conclusion. https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...er_6__2018.pdf

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I hate to break it to you, but it's not anything remarkable or attributable to fraud

• Same day registration is allowed and those voters would not appear on the precinct list
• Only party affiliated voters appear on the list, those who don't are not enumerated
• Some people vote in a different precinct than the one that is assigned thus skewing the results.

From the MIT/Caltech voting integrity project

Thanks for the clarification ... now if max had simply done that layout ...