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Old 11-28-2009, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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Both parties tax and spend heavily. Just slightly different philosophy. Republicans spend on infrastructure and projects designed to stimulate economical growth or growth in general. Democrats on the other hand spend on welfare and socialist entitlement programs, human capital.

After taking a close and careful look at Watts, Compton, Panorama City, Pacoima, South L.A., East L.A., Inglewood, Oakland, and Richmond, at the end of the day, can liberal-socialist Democrats look in the mirror, and ask themselves if all of the annual, multi-billion dollar human capital investment was well WORTH IT? Could California have been a better place for society if the investments were made to infrastructure? Do the opportunity benefits ( investment in welfare and socialist programs) outweigh the opportunity costs ( investment in infrastructure= light rail,subway,freeways,water system, tax incentives/breaks so that whats left of Entertainment Industry is not outsourced to Canada etc.) that stimulate growth?
nicely stated.
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Republicans spend on infrastructure and projects designed to stimulate economical growth or growth in general.
You mean in Iraq, right?
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: LB/OC for now...
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You mean in Iraq, right?
It's always all or nothing, right?
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Yesterday's election transformed all of Southern California into majority-Democratic counties. Only Orange Co & remote Del Norte county are majority-Republican coastal counties. And only some Central Valley & sparsely populated Sierra counties are Republican.

When will Orange county go the way of all the other urban counties in California & become Democratic? Anyone embarrassed that Orange county is still Republican?
I would only be embarrassed if it were Democratic.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:29 AM
 
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Republicans are not concerned about the community because they are selfish irresponsible free-loaders.
I'm not a republican but calling a republican a "free-loader" is a bit of an oxymoron. Those folks are about as far from "free-loader" as you can get. They are totally hardcore about being pro-business and anti-welfare of any kind.

Containing government spending is /= freeloading (I don't even see how you came to that conclusion).
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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Yes, most Republicans I meet are "free-loaders". They want to pay no taxes but get everything by borrowing from the future. Many people I've met here try to convince me to cheat on my taxes like they do. I had a friend offer me her "accountant" (not one) who would make a "business" for me and help me write off things like (non-business) car repairs and so on. No thanks. And I don't see any Republicans cutting spending at all. And then, they say they want govt out of their business but have no problems with the govt peeking into their neighbors' bedrooms or legislating "morality."

And jdevelop - OC is turning blue, bit by bit, sorry. But trust me, there's still tons of people who think they are above others here because they are Republican. Very silly. (BTW, I am of neither party but usually vote Dem because I dislike the religious right...who own the Republican party.)
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:09 PM
 
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Default Orange Co. enigma

I've lived in Orange County for a few years. It strikes me as newly rich or newly upper-middle class with perhaps some old money that only goes back two and at the most three generations. I'm from the East coast and old money is defined differently than here. Old money is at least 5 or 6 generations. Orange County has many beautiful places and cities that are clean and low in crime, but it lacks in sophistication despite some university presence with UCI Irvine and to a lesser degree Cal State Fullerton. Many people here have upstart pretensions that would be frowned upon "back east." I find it hard to keep a straight face when I observe so much vulgarity in people ranging from ill manners to virtually little gentility, breeding, or taste. Yet they often feel so self-important as they hop into their BMW's and Mercedes, along with those monstrous gas guzzling SUV's. However, I have found pockets of more conscious, intelligent, and well-bred people here and there in Orange County, and it is changing. It isn't so much the white ghetto it was 20 years ago. It is becoming more diverse ethnically and politically. It isn't the general society that keeps me here, but the sunshine and balmy breezes.

As to the comment registered above about more affluent and educated people voting Republican, that is a generalization that is faulty, as many parts of the country such as Marin Co., CA and Fairfax Co., VA, etc. generally give their support to Democratic candidates. These areas have higher educational attainment and higher relative incomes compared to most places. Perhaps newly affluent groups in the U.S. may lean toward political conservatism, but I have no data to substantiate this.

Orange County will change, unfortunately very slowly, along with many parts of the United States which are victim to the philosophy of rugged individualism that usually presents itself in political conservatism.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:20 PM
 
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As to the comment registered above about more affluent and educated people voting Republican, that is a generalization that is faulty, as many parts of the country such as Marin Co., CA and Fairfax Co., VA, etc. generally give their support to Democratic candidates. These areas have higher educational attainment and higher relative incomes compared to most places. Perhaps newly affluent groups in the U.S. may lean toward political conservatism, but I have no data to substantiate this.

Orange County will change, unfortunately very slowly, along with many parts of the United States which are victim to the philosophy of rugged individualism that usually presents itself in political conservatism.
Old money is generally liberal (east coast) because they feel guilt for having so much.

People who have businesses think that they arent that special and think that if they can do it anyone who applies themselves can and so tend to be more conservative. Be extremely frugal, work long hours, save a lot of money and you can succeed.

I was on a liberal blog and they had a sample budget for someone as they were trying to make the case that this family of 4 making 60K was living on the edge so they couldnt afford health care. It was completely ridiculous, there were two cell phones, 2 car payments of 300 each, (in chicago), 1500 mortgage, 250 in utilities etc.

I could easily cut out half their budget.
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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No, I hope it always stays republican and other cities become that way as well.
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Shallow alcove hidden from the telescreen
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No, I hope it always stays republican and other cities become that way as well.
Getting my residency papers for Canada, that's it!
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