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No need for personal attacks, and I beg to differ since I have made the trips several times. You can also check the Google data.
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If you have ever lived in this area you will know how the traffic patterns work. Being through the area "several" times does not make you an expert:
91 Fwy going west bound on weekday evenings is wide open
91 Fwy going east bound on weekday mornings is wide open
Look at Santa Ana Cyn Rd/Santiago Canyon Road/Jamboree this is fact. Look at the 241 at the 91 East on a weekday evening
Google traffic has live data which corroborates this as fact. Not sure what days you did this commute but its simply not true. Please provide proof i.e traffic data which corroborates your claim.
The 91 Express lanes have a toll schedule which directly proportional to traffic
Comparing Yorba Linda and Riverside is completely f'n stupid. Lets compare Brea and Irvine. Or how about Grand Terrace and Corona. Any more brilliant comparisons between two cities which are completely different?
I work in both cities and they are NOTHING alike. There is NOTHING similar, NOTHING. I can't stress that enough. Traffic wise, anything off the 91 sucks. 91 is IMO, the second worst freeway behind the 405. There is traffic going Westbound until 11am every day in the Corona area. Paying a toll of at least $2 for each direction is idiotic.
Riverside definitely has some nice areas but its hit or miss. Yorba Linda is a much newer city and overall is a much better city to live in. It will not take you an hour from Yorba Linda to Riverside, thats just stupid. Riverside to Yorba Linda will take you about 40 minutes. Riverside will get hotter during the summer since its nowhere near a beach.
Comparing Yorba Linda and Riverside is completely f'n stupid. Lets compare Brea and Irvine. Or how about Grand Terrace and Corona. Any more brilliant comparisons between two cities which are completely different?
I work in both cities and they are NOTHING alike. There is NOTHING similar, NOTHING. I can't stress that enough. Traffic wise, anything off the 91 sucks. 91 is IMO, the second worst freeway behind the 405. There is traffic going Westbound until 11am every day in the Corona area. Paying a toll of at least $2 for each direction is idiotic.
Riverside definitely has some nice areas but its hit or miss. Yorba Linda is a much newer city and overall is a much better city to live in. It will not take you an hour from Yorba Linda to Riverside, thats just stupid. Riverside to Yorba Linda will take you about 40 minutes. Riverside will get hotter during the summer since its nowhere near a beach.
As someone who drives W/B on the 91 one or twice a week from Corona to Cerritos or Torrance, usually between 3 PM & 5 PM, I can vouch for the fact that the 91 Fwy is a very nice ride in the afternoon although you will hit pockets of slowing at the interchange with the 57 & 605 Fwys heading into Cerritos.
OTOH, the E/B 91 in a parking lot right out of Anaheim Hills (near the interchange with the 55 Fwy) from 2 PM or thereabouts until well past 7 PM, with pockets of stop-and-go traffic until 3:30 or 4 PM, at which point it's toast.
I also wouldn't pay 700K for a house in Riverside, since you'd never be able to sell it if the time came. You can buy a very nice home in Riverside for 350K/400K in a top-notch neighborhood.
I was using hyperbole, it was supposed to be over the top, but in a fun way
Sorry, I guess I got carried away at the end, having lived in SoCal my whole life until just recently, I remember what it was like living in Riverside for a year. I loved many of the great people and hard working families that I met there, I just couldn't stand the area and climate, which is why for that year, I spent most weekends with friends and family in OC. No, it wasn't unbearable, but I felt sad for so many as it was during the height of the boom and I realized that people were paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a place that offered nothing. I mean, you could seriously live in a place like Midland Texas, or better Dallas for a fraction of the cost, make almost the same money, yet have a substantially higher quality of life. I literally felt sad driving back from OC to Riverside in the mornings and see the poor people who were stuck on the 91, driving in hours of traffic, away from their families, subjected to brutal commutes all to have some illusory CA life, but not really have it at all because they were in the IE, sort of always on the outside always looking in. Away from their home and family for hours each day just to drive, communities deprived of participation, children from their parents, all because everyone was wasting their life on the freeway serving the god of high home prices, all for what, to live in SoCal? The IE offers nothing worth the pain and cost of the famed sunshine tax to live there. To me, the IE represented one of the worst deceptions of the housing bubble, people became slaves to a lie because of greed, vanity, and ignorance. And now, that is why it has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation. People realized that there was no way the IE was worth much above 150K and people are walking away in droves. I say good for them, what the IE has become is no place to raise a family, it may have been 50 years ago, but not now. This is a big country, there are actually places better than the IE in large county we live in, opportunities flourish, just don't overpay for hype, don't be a slave to a home, and please, don't be a slave to a lie.
Lest you think that I bought into the hype of OC, we rented there for a less money than people were paying to "own" a home in the IE.
Or you could pay 750,000 for a home that's stacked on top of the neighbour's, and is about the same size as my house in South Corona that I paid less than 200,000 for.
And no, I'm not exaggerating for effect. Look up current housing prices for new developments in Placentia. You get cookie cutter homes with no sense of community for dollars on the penny.
If you want to live near work, look at South Corona, Eastvale, Norco, or Ontario. Depending on how far out you want to go, Murrieta and Temecula have new developments going in that are quite nice, as well.
Also, don't listen to people that talk about the air quality. The further away from LA you get the better the air quality gets, actually. Orange County can be just as hazy and smog ridden as any other county on most days.
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Reason: Didn't look at the date of the original post...
There are plenty of very nice communities within 20 minutes of Riverside; Rancho Cucamonga immediately come to mind, and you can buy a superb house for a lot less than 650K---500K to 525K would be plenty.
Buying a house in Riverside for 750K would be extremely insane for one very easy reason--you would NEVER be able to sell it; houses in that price range are plentiful in Irvine, Tustin & Yorba Linda, so there's a much better market in OC than in the IE for a house with a lofty price tag like that.
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Originally Posted by Socalpal
If you have ever lived in this area you will know how the traffic patterns work. Being through the area "several" times does not make you an expert:
91 Fwy going west bound on weekday evenings is wide open
91 Fwy going east bound on weekday mornings is wide open
Perhaps you know better than the Orange County Transportation Authority?
I am not sure what you two are arguing about, but OCTA is not perfect information.
I have made this trip hundreds of times. Probably more than a thousand. I can tell you that OCTA information is sometimes right. Of course they do not cover issues in Riverside county and at least half of the trip is in Riverside County.
OCTA tries to report averages and typical patterns. They conduct tests at various times and locations and are reasonably accurate at reflecting reality at least 50% of the time.
Things like sig alert notices and even traffic reports on the radio are often of limited utility becuase they do not get reported for half an hour or so, and by then the problem is often gone. Sometimes though, they can alert you to a long standing problem like a huge accident or construction issue. The problem is that you really have no other choice. There is no practical alternate route, unless you take 73 or 15 up to the 60. That works if you happen to be close to and not past one of these routes when you discover the problem. They do not always report things. I have sat without moving for an hour and found no report of a problem on the radio, or on the internet.
Eastbound Mornings:
To get to 91 Eastbound, you usually have to go up the 55 or the 5, depending on where you start. Either one is busy in the morning and can be slow. Coming from further west on the 91 - not sure what traffic is like. At the 55/91 interchange it is pretty slow with occasional stops until you get past where the toll road merges in. You frequently average about 20-25 for a while and then it speeds up. It is usually pretty open with speeds from 60-80 up until a mile or so before the 15 interchange in Corona. Stop and go through the 15 interchange for a mile or so and then it picks up again, but not back up to 70 mph (usually around 50 to 60). As you come into Riverside it slows considerably and frequently stops, sometimes you can go 50 almost all the way through downtown, but more often you are going around 35 with occasional stops. If you are getting off on University or on 14th street you will sit and wait for a while most of the time. Then traffic is generally backed up and often gridlocked through town. I always use fastrac on the way out. Even if it appears open at first, it usually slows or stops at the toll road. Sometimes the fast lane goes faster than fastrac, but more than 50% of the time, you will be glad you took the fastrac on the way out, or you will wish that you had if you do not use it. Can you access the fast trac lanes if you get on in YL? I am not sure.
Going home you hit intense traffic all the way through Riverside. Traffic moves like an accordion. Sometimes, it opens up a bit between Riverside and Corona, then stop and go through Corona. Lots of Riverside workers live in Corona. Once you get to the fast trac lanes it is usually pretty open but you have to be careful. It will jump from 80 to 0 in the fastlane in a heartbeat. I almost never take fastrac on the way home. The traffic problems are usually before you get tot he fastrac lanes. The 55 and 22 and generally clear by the time you get into Orange County.
Almost every day is different. Once in a while, you just fly through and wonder if nearly everyone suddenly died. Other times you crawl all the way. Often there a accidents, breakdowns, someone getting a ticket, or other problems. When that happens everything slows to a crawl. Problems seem to be the most frequent near the toll road, and near the 15 or 73, but they can occur anywhere. Rarely does it completely stop for long due to a problem, but you typically add 15 minutes each time something happens.
Friday nights are much busier. Add another 20 minutes to get home. However some days, you just fly right through, especially Fridays preceding a holiday weekend because lots of people go home early.
While it is possible to make the trip in less than an hour, it is not possible to do so consistently. If you want to be on time most of the time, you need to leave an hour and a half. You will often arrive early, but you will rarely be late. If I am going to a deposition or a meeting, I leave 1.5 hours, if I am going to court, I leave 2 hours. Coming back to Orange County I make the trip in less than one hour far more frequently than goung out to Riverside in the morning. Do not ever try to go to Riverside from OC on a Friday after 3 p.m. Wait until at least 8.
EDIT: Looked back and see they you are looking at leaving from Y.L. Take 15 minute off of times, add back the time from your house to the freeway which could be one minute, or it could be fifteen plus, depends on where your house is.
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Despite what nice things people may tell you about it on this website, a large majority of the people living there are not the folks you want as neighbors or their kids interacting with your kids. I have one friend who still lives there and I can tell you it is pretty bad. Another friend moved out of there after a couple years and moved to West Covina. If you can't afford the OC and don't want to leave so cal, I suggest cities to the far northwest like Camarillo or Ventura which are cheaper than OC, but not nearly as bad as Riverside. If you have to live in Riverside or somewhere in that far east area, I would suggest Temecula over Riverside, although Temecula is not very good either, but better than city of Riverside.
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