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Old 03-05-2009, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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At the 1996 GOP convention, Goldwater and Bob Dole were talking, and Barry said to Bob, "we're the liberals of the party now" in reference to how far right the GOP had moved.
have you ever heard of remarks being made in jest??? No, not all, even many of the conservative GOPS are not further right than Dole or even Goldwater..

that would be like saying all democrats are liberals like Harry and Nancy or is it Nanci??

Nita
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Old 03-05-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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have you ever heard of remarks being made in jest??? No, not all, even many of the conservative GOPS are not further right than Dole or even Goldwater..
As we in CA know there are still plenty of moderate Republicans. However the party leadership turned right after '94.

And Harry Reid is a moderate, not a liberal. He's ruthlessly partisan but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a liberal.
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Old 03-05-2009, 02:41 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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and your point is??
The point is that Orange county is moving Left like the rest of California. When Newport Beach votes for Obama then the GOP needs to take a long look at their future.

Read the article for even more info on how Orange county is going the way of all other California counties > Democratic
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Old 03-05-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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As we in CA know there are still plenty of moderate Republicans. However the party leadership turned right after '94.

And Harry Reid is a moderate, not a liberal. He's ruthlessly partisan but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a liberal.
I guess I would agree about the statement: partisan does not mean liberal, that is pretty much what i have been trying to explain to others today, Republican does not mean conservative and conservative does not mean religious fundamentalist...

I like Sarah Palin, why, because she stands up for what she believes in, do I share all her views? Absolutely not and would I vote for her, probably not.

But now this thread may be going the wrong way..I better shut up.

Nita
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Old 03-05-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The point is that Orange county is moving Left like the rest of California. When Newport Beach votes for Obama then the GOP needs to take a long look at their future.

Read the article for even more info on how Orange county is going the way of all other California counties > Democratic
ok, that I will buy. Yes, much of Ca is moving left, it has been for many years. Of course I am surprised to see New Port Beach voted Obama. I think one thing we all have to remember, McCain had 4 strikes against him before he got started. Many went Obama that would not have if the political climate had been different. This is like when Reagan won, would he had anyway? Probably, he was so popular, but Carter was so unpopular that it wouldn't have taken much of a candidate to beat him.

By the way, I am not an Obama person as I am sure you have gathered, but my comments above have nothing to do with that nor is it meant to be a slam on him...

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Old 03-05-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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Read the article for even more info on how Orange county is going the way of all other California counties > Democratic
Read: bankrupt. And from several angles, at that.
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:58 PM
 
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Hmm so it's strong republican (fiscal and social) then huh?

Interesting with it being a suburb of LA, I never thought there would be such a hard right suburban area these days in the Southland. I hear that the Inland Empire and Ventura are actually moderate overall (still slightly to the right). In fact most of Cali seems to have moderate on average, before the late 70s-80s it seemed like a republican bastion like Texas

The other "national" suburb, Long Island has long scince moderated and in many senses liberalized at both the state and federal (primarily) federal level scince the 80s. Can say the same thing about Weschester, fascinating (if youre a current affairs buff like me)
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Northern Arizona
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Orange County is an overgrown bedroom community of Los Angeles that does everything in its power to disassociate with its neighbor to the north.

There's a reason the county line is jokingly nicknamed "The Orange Curtain."

Personally, I think the Inland Empire is a lot more conservative than Orange County.
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Orange County is an overgrown bedroom community of Los Angeles that does everything in its power to disassociate with its neighbor to the north.

There's a reason the county line is jokingly nicknamed "The Orange Curtain."

Personally, I think the Inland Empire is a lot more conservative than Orange County.
never thought of it that way, I think you could be right about the Inland Empire and also many part of east SGV. (not quite the inland empire)

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Old 03-06-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: los angeles
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I think we can remember when California was pretty strongly Republican but in those days it didn't matter since Republicans & Democrats were quite similar. All the governors were from the Bay Area until Reagan won [which is a miracle since he lived in LA] but like Brown before him, Reagan ran the state soundly.

Things changed drastically but with the GOP, not California [too many religious\ anti-science\ racists\ anti-gay]. LA Times reported that those who funded Prop 8 have been harassed at work & dropped from "party circuit." That's why Republicans tried to get judicial support to change the federal full disclosure law. People who want to police the bedroom
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