Fairly Liberal Cities in Northern OC (Santa Ana, Irvine: middle-class, condo, house)

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by majoun

Based on what I've observed living in both SoCal and the Bay Area, Asians tend to be moderate Dems rather than liberals.

to clarify I wasn't saying they were members of the Libertarian party, just that many appreciate limiting the power of the government coming from totalitarian regimes

[happ]

Republicans have big problems attracting anybody but white protestants who live in the South. Asians\Latinos\Blacks in California vote Democratic overwhelmingly and are considered the base for the party. But Anglos in California are among the most liberal thinkers in the nation & according to the LA Times are the most liberal group in Los Angeles.

[ocexpo]

Originally Posted by happ

Republicans have big problems attracting anybody but white protestants who live in the South. Asians\Latinos\Blacks in California vote Democratic overwhelmingly and are considered the base for the party. But Anglos in California are among the most liberal thinkers in the nation & according to the LA Times are the most liberal group in Los Angeles.

OC Asians are not strongly democratic. Little Saigon and all of Westminster are stark examples.

Other than this really weak rant we have come to expect from the user happ (who literally will bash Conservatives at any given opportunity), OC is fairly fiscally conservative and trends socially liberal in some respects. In northern OC, the liberals live in Stanton and Santa Ana. An open mind like yours might feel right at home in these two non-english speaking liberal cities.

[bhcompy]

I agree with you ocexpo, though Santa Ana and Stanton aren't northern OC. I would consider them central(older midcounty cities like SA, Anaheim, Tustin, Orange, etc) and west(HB on up the coast, GG, FV, Cypress, Los Al, etc) respectively, and parts of Santa Ana(around SNA) even reflect some of south OC.

[nmnita]

Happ,

I think you live in a world all your own. You are bound and determine that every American, certainly every person in Ca will someday be a democrat. I don't know if you even care if they are leberals, just so they are not republicans. I wonder, what in your life caused you to feel there is only one right way to think and that is the way of the democrats..

If nothing else you do keep this forum lively!!!! And I am so happy to see you read and believe everything the L.A. Times says!: Too bad, a once top newspaper will soon either be sold or fold..I wish it was still the paper my husband worked for in the 60s. But that is another subject altogether..

Nita

[majoun]

Originally Posted by ocexpo

OC Asians are not strongly democratic. Little Saigon and all of Westminster are stark examples.

The Vietnamese, even in L.A. (not so much in the Bay Area) are the exception to Asians' centrist Dem tendencies. They tend to be Republicans because many believe that Dem presidents "sold their country out". OC for Vietnamese is like South Florida for Cubans in that one will find the most hardline elements of the Vietnamese diaspora concentrated there.

[happ]

My opposition to the Republican party has accelerated over the past 8 years & anyone who is proud of voting for President Bush must be entirely out of reality. Republicans became soiled goods by wooing the former Dixiecrats [Nixon's "Southern Strategy"]. A group of racist Whites [mostly evangelical] who hated Lincoln & believe the world is 5000 yrs old. The presence of the church in the GOP radically shifted their emphases from secular conservatism\ libertarianism into an anti-science\ anti-gay\ Sunday School]. All of a sudden our presidents had to proclaim how much they loved Jesus [quite awkward for Reagan & Papa Bush but Clinton & W Bush played it for all they could get: remember Clinton recommended Democrats oppose gay marriage if it meant getting more votes

I am Christian but do not want my bishop poking his head into people's bedrooms [esp since so many rectories were sodomizing altar boys]. I actually voted for Reagan in 1984 but the GOP changed so dramatically that it lost all respect from many Americans.

I am truly proud that California continues to be one step ahead of the rest of the nation. Schwarzenegger quickly opened up stem cell research funding when Bush said God told him to protect sperm that is tossed away anyway because evil scientists might find cures for Alzheimer's\ Parkinson's\ diabetes. America can never forgive the utter decline Bush produced for his country & how the Republican agenda is anti\ health care for all\ anti-unions & labor protections\ pro international corporations\ banks, anti-environmentalism-science-education, pro fundamentalism-Bible Belt.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Happ,

I think you live in a world all your own. You are bound and determine that every American, certainly every person in Ca will someday be a democrat. I don't know if you even care if they are leberals, just so they are not republicans. I wonder, what in your life caused you to feel there is only one right way to think and that is the way of the democrats..

If nothing else you do keep this forum lively!!!! And I am so happy to see you read and believe everything the L.A. Times says!: Too bad, a once top newspaper will soon either be sold or fold..I wish it was still the paper my husband worked for in the 60s. But that is another subject altogether..

Nita

He's the Nikita Khrushchev of democrats. Can't you picture him banging his shoe on the keyboard and proclaiming "we will bury you (republicans)"?

[buckeyenative01]

Originally Posted by happ

I am truly proud that California continues to be one step ahead of the rest of the nation.

The only thing California's "one step ahead of the rest of the nation" in is foreclosures, job losses, high taxes and useless government.

Its really hard to care about stem cell research (this coming from a Diabetic) when I, and others, never know if we'll have a stable source of income at the end of the day.

I love California (I wouldn't be trying in vain to move back if I didn't) but if anything, its a prime example of how not to operate a state government.

[ocexpo]

Originally Posted by majoun

The Vietnamese, even in L.A. (not so much in the Bay Area) are the exception to Asians' centrist Dem tendencies. They tend to be Republicans because many believe that Dem presidents "sold their country out". OC for Vietnamese is like South Florida for Cubans in that one will find the most hardline elements of the Vietnamese diaspora concentrated there.

I am just saying it in an OC context. Happ was trying to stereotype "all" asians in OC as democrat. Clearly this is not the case, it is fairly split in OC. Look at the board of supervisors, Janet Ngyuen is a REPUBLICAN who was voted in primarily because of conservative asians.

You are right, as a nation, Asians do trend slightly Democratic (and that is largely because of SF and Hawaii; not because of OC/San Diego).