How many of you are fleeing OC and where are you going? (Mission Viejo: foreclosures, HOA)

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Originally Posted by Charles

Sounds lovely

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lol!

"and mooching off there economy and welfare"? Mexico?...

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Originally Posted by Raelyn28

Nice posts and very truthful. As far as Skyway... once again you have spoken half truths.

Hmmm... interesting. You been complaining that others should allow you to have your own opinion, that you live in a free country, have free speech and so on. Wouldn't it be great to follow your own advice? You're constantly attacking this poor Skyward without giving any mutual respect back.

"Do as I say, not as I do". Not admirable my friend.

Let people have their opinions - no matter how different from your own - without attacking them.

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Originally Posted by Charles

Yes you do get some warm days in winter that are appropriate for shorts once in a while on the Front Range.

lol! My friend in Europe can turn her MB into a parking spot the size of a quarter - from the other side of the street, in full ice and snow - in a single turn. WHILE chatting away full steam and without batting an eyelid. And she doesn't even drive 2% of what an average american drives in a year. I have never seen pictures like this with cars lined up in trenches....




Are there any practice tests on ice and snow in colder states? I don't know....I've been sun damaged by California.

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Originally Posted by Raelyn28

I wouldn't go to another country and expect people to speak English... Maybe it is because America is supposed to be "the land of the free" where anything goes and everyone can speak in their native language. Maybe I need to move to England or something, I don't know. I just feel it is rude to speak in a language when in the company of another that doesn't speak or understand it.

Hmm... maybe you should tell that to your countrymen when they tourist abroad and talk down at people and demand everything in english or get condescending if they don't. Not to mention how LOUD they are [why do they have to screeeeaaaaaam when they talk???], obnoxious, arrogant and rude to the locals. The annoying thing is how they talk down at you.

Here are some questions I overheard when I was visiting Florence [from a couple from Kentucky who was heading for the Tour de France]: "I come from a country called a-m-e-r-i-c-a [emphasizing it like you would to a severely retarded person]. Do you know what 9/11 is? Where I come from its very hot. We have something called humidity in america. Do you know what humidity is?".
The European woman got annoyed at the condescending tone and replied: "No I haven't heard of either america, humidity, or 911. And I don't think anyone else in all of Europe has either...we only speak 5 languages in average, and most of us have PhD's. Do you know what a PhD is...?"

I am always surprising to hear americans talk like this couple because Americans really don't behave like this - in general - in their own country. I have to remind annoyed Europeans all the time that americans are friendly, polite, and welcoming people, and for some reason we are getting the runt of the lot coming over. Most of these American tourists don't even know that some of the countries they visit is not even Europe! They think Europe is the name of ONE nation and all European nations have exact same culture and same everything....
Young american teenagers certainly never talk like this couple when they are traveling. They're not exactly well educated or culturally aware of much [except kids sent from rich families to Europe; they are completely different and very aware], but they at least don't degrade people.

Its shameful to talk to someone like a fool, especially if a tourist does so in countries that require young students to demonstrate critical appraisal skills in philosophy before they are even admitted to secondary school....

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Originally Posted by Charles

I used to live near COS, north up on the Palmer Divide near Monument. I grew up in SoCal. You have probably met a lot of ex-Californians there. No traffic. Some jobs (and if you are living on the far north side, Denver is a commutable possibility). COS (like Huntsville) is a little bland, but that's what a person might expect moving from SoCal.


By the way, the COS City-Data forum is really good. Check it out.

If the housing prices in the desirable parts of SoCal, like south OC or where ever, fell to maybe 125% or 150% of COS housing prices, would you move back?

Yep, met a lot of ex-Californians here in Col Spgs and a lot of people from all over the country. Colorado Springs is one of those places where you seem to meet more people from out of the area than in. Yeah, I guess in terms of the culture (for lack of a better word), diversity, etc. it's a little bland, but I was looking for a smaller city with a smaller pace of life, but big enough to find work, things to do... which I think I found. Plus I love the natural beauty around here. I've never been to Alabama. Are you glad you left the Springs area for Huntsville?

As to whether I would ever move back there, I suppose if I won the lottery, I would like to buy a second home right on the beach.
But back to reality, if south OC real estate fell to closer to Co Spgs prices, I still wouldn't do it unless I had a job offer that I couldn't refuse. It's just too crowded out there. Also, very materialistic compared to here. Plus, I've been there, done that. Understand, I never hated living there, but if I was to move again, I'd rather experience another area of the country, and I wouldn't want the area to be any more populous than the Springs area; ideally a bit less.
I haven't mentioned other issues such as the deficit, illegal immigration, education problems, crime, because the comparatively wealthier Mission Viejo area is less affected (at least directly) by alot of these issues than many other cities.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by gdcon

Yep, met a lot of ex-Californians here in Col Spgs and a lot of people from all over the country. Colorado Springs is one of those places where you seem to meet more people from out of the area than in. Yeah, I guess in terms of the culture (for lack of a better word), diversity, etc. it's a little bland, but I was looking for a smaller city with a smaller pace of life, but big enough to find work, things to do... which I think I found. Plus I love the natural beauty around here. I've never been to Alabama. Are you glad you left the Springs area for Huntsville?

As to whether I would ever move back there, I suppose if I won the lottery, I would like to buy a second home right on the beach.
But back to reality, if south OC real estate fell to closer to Co Spgs prices, I still wouldn't do it unless I had a job offer that I couldn't refuse. It's just too crowded out there. Also, very materialistic compared to here. Plus, I've been there, done that. Understand, I never hated living there, but if I was to move again, I'd rather experience another area of the country, and I wouldn't want the area to be any more populous than the Springs area; ideally a bit less.
I haven't mentioned other issues such as the deficit, illegal immigration, education problems, crime, because the comparatively wealthier Mission Viejo area is less affected (at least directly) by alot of these issues than many other cities.

COS is such a military town so lots of people from all over the US. Three Air Force Bases, the Academy, and Fort Carson.

Yep, OC traffic is no joke. COS has no traffic. I loved my commute (even though it was long) from 83/105 to Schriever through Black Forest and down through Falcon. Very beautiful. Huntsville is even smaller than COS and there's no Denver nearby either. While the weather in each town is different, COS is much more extreme and longer winters. Both climates are interesting. Neither weather bothers me. But, south OC is prettier. A lot of COS is ugly like along Academy, Woodmen, Platt, Nevada. The north end near Briargate is newer and nice. Huntsville is pretty ugly in the middle and nicer on the outskirts and in west Madison. Ugly meaning powerlines and billboards and no master planning.

That's what I like about south OC (and the Conejo Valley/Thousand Oaks) - it blends, it's planned, few eyesores, no visible powerlines, lots of billboard ordinances, bike lanes, landscaping on the public areas and along road medians, hidden air conditioners and other building utilities. Aesthetics is important.

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I think the Springs area is naturally more pretty, but I notice more and more the longer I've been away from Mission Viejo, how lush it is there with the artificial landscaping. That's, of course, because you can do a heck of alot more with the landscaping in SoCal because it doesn't freeze much. I appreciate that more than when I lived there because now I have some perspective.
I do find parts of Nevada Ave here in the Springs to be real nice, with the Victorian homes and the tall trees in the median.

[MarshainLA]

I moved to Wilmington North Carolina after being in LA/OC for 7 years. I couldnt handle the theft anymore and people were leaving the state just as soon as the come so was hard to date (i had to meet my soldier here in NC) lol anyway wilmington is on the ocean coast and lots of people from cali move here because the weather mirrors LA and plus its beautiful with all the trees and I soo missed the rain

[SoCal Nature]

I'd say the I.E. its more cheaper, great weather for the winter.

[KaraG]

We like the beaches here in the Carolinas better than in OC because the water is warm enough that you can actually swim in the ocean most of the year without a wetsuit. And although I agree that Mission Viejo had some of the most beautiful landscaping I've ever seen, I enjoy living in a place again where master planners & HOA's aren't everywhere and each homeowner has the freedom to use their property as they need it. Doesn't bother me to see a cute little home next to a gorgeous sprawling horse farm.