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Old 07-21-2011, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Salem, OR
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Sad you are driking preshie's kool-aid, Silverfall, but then you're a real estate agent, so who needs to look to you for sympathy in regards to their woes of over-development.

I'm not drinking her kool-aid. I live very modestly. The fact that you are unable to see shades of gray and seem to function in a black and white world is unfortunate. Over-generalization is a thinking error. I already told her that large of a house is considered grandiose by Oregon standards. You feel sad for me and I feel sad for you. We'll have to leave it at that.
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Just because you live modestly, doesn't mean you are not drinking her kool-aid.. Re-read my post.. Bitter, depressing and angry as you may think it is, it is actually true. Or, at least, to me it is true.. Being here most my life, I think gives me a bit of insight I feel others may not have. But, then again, I could just be a bitter, mean , angry guy.

In all honesty, I am more friendly, polite, giving, compassionate and helpful than most people I meet. Yes, I Could just be saying that, but I think it is the truth. Perhaps, it is you who is mean and bitter and hate people like me who expose the truth of the situation and the degradation of the state of Oregon. Sorry, that I broke your rose-colored glasses. I just see a place that is deteriorating morally and socially and becoming a graveyard of pleasant memories. Bend, is a fine example. Hood River and Ashland are another. Actually, the Hawthorne district in SE Portland has become gentrified as well. It use to have quite a neighborhood feel with a lot of soul. Now, it is just another sterile Pearl district for the wealthy. In Bend, Ashland and Hood River, rude and arrogant extreme sports people and wealthy aristocrats seem to have invaded all the towns that use to be nice and traditional with a sense of community. Now, it is every person for themselves and people hook up into these clans or cliques for survival. Nobody, cares about one another and everyone is out for themselves.
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Old 07-21-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Another point is Oregon land use laws - pushed into place by immigrating liberal Californians in the 60's and 70's means that one acre parcels of land are hard to find. Oregon laws don't lend themselves to to sub-divisions that small except in very specific locations, usually in those formerly quaint towns.
Just a point of history, it was the farmers who pushed for strict land use laws. People saw what happened from urban sprawl in other parts of the country. Los Angeles County was the most productive agricultural county in the country at one time. The Willamette Valley is one of the great garden spots of the world, and those who loved the land wanted to preserve it, not bury it under asphalt and concrete.

One acre parcels are rare because they require city services. One acre is not large enough to install a septic and well, plus have a spare leach field site if the first dies. For sanitary reasons, they require city sewer and water. The rest of it is pure economics. People value houses, not dirt. If there is a choice between a 4000 sf house on a 6000 sf lot, or a 2500 sf house on a 42,000 sf (1 acre) lot for the same money, they will take the larger house. Devlopers are not known for minimizing profits, so they gave people what they would buy, not what they said they wanted.

If you want a larger lot, just buy 5 or 6 contigous lots in a subdivision and do a boundary line adjustment to make them into one lot. There's your acre, complete with sewer, water, gas, electricity and paved streets. There are enough bankrupt and moribund subdivisions in Oregon that you can find this fairly easily and get a good price.

If you are interested, send me a private message. I know a developer who will be glad to set you up with a deal like this inside the city limits of Roseburg.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Salem, OR
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Just because you live modestly, doesn't mean you are not drinking her kool-aid.. Re-read my post.. Bitter, depressing and angry as you may think it is, it is actually true. Or, at least, to me it is true.. Being here most my life, I think gives me a bit of insight I feel others may not have. But, then again, I could just be a bitter, mean , angry guy.

In all honesty, I am more friendly, polite, giving, compassionate and helpful than most people I meet. Yes, I Could just be saying that, but I think it is the truth. Perhaps, it is you who is mean and bitter and hate people like me who expose the truth of the situation and the degradation of the state of Oregon. Sorry, that I broke your rose-colored glasses. I just see a place that is deteriorating morally and socially and becoming a graveyard of pleasant memories. Bend, is a fine example. Hood River and Ashland are another. Actually, the Hawthorne district in SE Portland has become gentrified as well. It use to have quite a neighborhood feel with a lot of soul. Now, it is just another sterile Pearl district for the wealthy. In Bend, Ashland and Hood River, rude and arrogant extreme sports people and wealthy aristocrats seem to have invaded all the towns that use to be nice and traditional with a sense of community. Now, it is every person for themselves and people hook up into these clans or cliques for survival. Nobody, cares about one another and everyone is out for themselves.

One of the main points of urban growth boundaries is to preserve our farmland and to promote the revitalization of cities, because yes...investors want to make money. So investors go into the dilapidated areas of cities and fix them up. They become the next hip area and gentrified and yes, they make money in the process. Spend some time on the south side of Chicago and you will see why having urban growth boundaries, even with its cons, instead of sprawl is still a better choice.

If you don't want the state of Oregon to figure out how to deal with growth, then you need to meet with your representatives and lobby hard that they not allow people to move here. Otherwise, they have no choice but to function with reality in that Oregon has a growing population. If you feel they are messing up that badly, run for an office and make a difference.

I am well aware of Oregon's ills. No rose colored glasses here, but I'm not so arrogant that I believe that my perspective on life, politics, etc is the same one that all people should have. My hell may be another persons heaven.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Oh joy, another aristocratic SOuthern Californian going to Bend... Don't mind the dirty stares from the local yocals.. Just tell them your from Nevada.. No hard feelings then. I hate to say it but I feel Californians destroyed that town. Yeah, they got their giant palaces on Awbrey Butte and their exquisite golf courses and resorts that are off-limits to everyone else. They drove the housing market to disaster and brought in their stuck-up, holier-than-thou attitudes with them. Bend, is like a mix of a sterile California suburb with a disgruntled and poor Oregon logging/mountain town. The last thing Bend needs now is another 5000 sq ft mansion and Mercedes SUV driving the streets. I live in Hood RIver and can feel the vibe of the aristocratic California yuppies that infest this town too.

Not all Californians are bad, but there is a certain element of them that I wish wouldn't be here.

Anyway, I need to escape this place before all the wealthy Californians drive Oregon into the ground more than it already has been.

Sorry, preshiesgirl if you think I am being condescending, but once you settle in Bend, Hood River, Ashland, West Hills of POrtland, etc and build your 5000 sq ft palace for the two of you (minus kids of course) , you will see a lot of people who have lived in Oregon most/all of our lives will have these same feelings towards you. If that bothers you, Arizona and Nevada don't seem to have these issues like Oregon or any other NW state does.
Sorry us Californians had to move. Our state has been invaded and destroyed.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Nothing wrong with Californians.. It is the elite aristocrats who want to turn nice places into high-class resorts or private communities for the upper echelons of income. Half the town of Bend is off-limits now to those who were born and raised. This is not limited to Californians, but the majority of wealthy transplants are from California.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Cascade Lakes Highway / Kapalua
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Half the town of Bend is off-limits now to those who were born and raised
Where is this in Bend? All of the "gated" communities are open for anyone to walk, run or bike in. I think you will find recent home purchases in these communities are more often then not folks from Portland area.

Again out today mountain biking in the Deschutes Forest on the fantastic extensive single-track system and I think I only saw two others. I can run along the Deschutes river (Lava Island - Benham falls range) in the morning and not see a sole. Not exactly what I would consider spoiled by any stretch of the imagination.

I support Oregon's strict land use laws and the UGB. Unfortunately Destination Resorts have circumvented the spirit of the law as most are nothing more then subdivisions outside the UGB. Most are or have gone broke.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:45 PM
 
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Nothing wrong with Californians.. It is the elite aristocrats who want to turn nice places into high-class resorts or private communities for the upper echelons of income. Half the town of Bend is off-limits now to those who were born and raised. This is not limited to Californians, but the majority of wealthy transplants are from California.

What's a good city to move to in Oregon with cheap rent and jobs?
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:49 PM
 
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Going to the COlumbia Gorge is liking going to Disneyland now. There is garbage all over the place, it's so crowded you cannot even park at Multnomah Falls unless you go early in the morning. People are switchbacking off trails and eroding the forests. I watched some Indian guys, throw their cigarette butts right into the pool at lower Multnomah Falls. If I wasn't a religious person I'd probably have belted them one in the nose for that. But, I will leave that to God.

Yeah, I am bitter and tired.. The world as we know it is passing away.
Such is the human condition today Myst, over much of the country, not needed to single Oregon out.

It's all about the buck. I know of a native tribe in southern California who opted to build an outlet mall to go along with their casino..... ON TOP OF their tribal burial grounds! How much more can someone possibly desecrate for the sake of profit...


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What's a good city to move to in Oregon with cheap rent and jobs?
When last I lived in Salem, they had a little industry, some government, some education field, and a lot of service/retail work. Rents were pretty reasonable. I had a 1 bedroom in North Salem for 365$, and a 2 bedroom downtown with laundry hookups for $400 about 3 years ago. Both old buildings but the management kept them up well and I never had any complaints. It also has the advantage of being navigable on foot, bike, and bus to everything you need in most parts of town.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Salem, OR
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When last I lived in Salem, they had a little industry, some government, some education field, and a lot of service/retail work. Rents were pretty reasonable. I had a 1 bedroom in North Salem for 365$, and a 2 bedroom downtown with laundry hookups for $400 about 3 years ago. Both old buildings but the management kept them up well and I never had any complaints. It also has the advantage of being navigable on foot, bike, and bus to everything you need in most parts of town.
On another thread, they stated they wanted to be in a place with a lot of white people. Salem has a large Hispanic population.
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