11-17-2007, 06:19 PM
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Villebois at Wilsonville
I'm curious as to why people would sell the Arbor home after buying it just a year or two previously. Villebois sure looks nice....
Any ideas?
11-17-2007, 08:04 PM
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Job transfer? death in the family? Change in financial circumstances? There are plenty of reasons. Villebois is supposed to be wonderful. Read good things about it in the paper all the time. I worked in Wilsonville for nine years but before it was finished.
11-19-2007, 10:34 AM
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I am sure as in all developments there are investment buyers who want to get in on the deal at the initial offering, my worry about these home, and I lived formerly accross the street was the building in the rain, with the homes being sided at a time when they looked drenched, the rapid pace of the build, the exsitence of contractors there at odd times and sorry, cookie cutter look was a bit of an eyesore, plus access to I-5, gona be a major problem, and where are the kids going to school wilsonville or sherwood, just another no forsight issue the city council ignored.
11-19-2007, 11:33 PM
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You bring up interesting points, Lil Peg, about building in the rain and how quickly builders seem to throw a house up. I had wondered about that whether building stops or slows down during the rainy months or does it go on as usual?
If the contractors are doing everything on their list, then doing it very quickly wouldn't bother me...what does is that I'm not there to see it. Not that I would be if I bought a house that was built 10 years ago either. I guess a solid inspection of the home and the contract is my best bet.
11-20-2007, 04:27 AM
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I am sure the builders are complying with all codes, It seemed that there was more building than usual during the rain days. But the development was having to deal with the city goverment not know what the left hand opposed to the right hand was doing. If you have a builder with a good reputation and get the proper warrenty in place you should be fine.
11-22-2007, 01:48 PM
Location: Agency Lake, Oregon
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You bring up interesting points, Lil Peg, about building in the rain and how quickly builders seem to throw a house up. I had wondered about that whether building stops or slows down during the rainy months or does it go on as usual?
If the contractors are doing everything on their list, then doing it very quickly wouldn't bother me...what does is that I'm not there to see it. Not that I would be if I bought a house that was built 10 years ago either. I guess a solid inspection of the home and the contract is my best bet.
There were two subdivisions going up near my house earlier this year, one of $600K + houses and one of very low $200k houses. During framing, you could tell which was which
only by the size of the houses - not by the quality of the framing or the materials used or the speed or care with which they went up, nor by the size of the lot or how close together the houses were. It was eye-opening, in a way. Expensive houses weren't particularly framed any better, as far as quality of wood, exactness of centers or squareness of walls. Presumably the final fit and finishes and options were better in the higher end houses, but the bones weren't any better.
11-23-2007, 12:52 PM
Location: Beaverton, Oregon
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I would be very careful about buying Villebois. Arbor is known for building very shoddy homes. They often use wet wood, vinyl siding, mexican labor...they are a big builder who knows how to slap up a house very quickly. I personally think Villebois is a big rip off.
They may be fast, but how many builders do you know of that don't build with wet wood?
Very few builders limit themselves to framing and roofing in the summer.
Otherwise, lumber sits in the rain, gets cut and framed, then dries. Name a builder that builds a roof over the framing lumber.
As for construction, I've seen some marvelous craftmanship in construction and landscaping by Mexican workers.
It's not the race that matters.
Sometimes, I think people post similar comments because they are real estate agents or builders trying use forums to affect the market.
11-23-2007, 06:05 PM
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I would be very careful about buying Villebois. Arbor is known for building very shoddy homes. They often use wet wood, vinyl siding, mexican labor...they are a big builder who knows how to slap up a house very quickly. I personally think Villebois is a big rip off.
you may have invalidated your remark with the ethnic thing, but the Villebois was a railroad job that was shoved down on the neighboring homes with input being ignored at the community meetings, again how are all the people going to get on the freeway, and by the way the landscaping is being moved accordingly to what part is being pushed. The workers are not at fault here, just the crank it out way they are being pushed. Again, the city has not done it duty to the surrounding neighborhood.
11-23-2007, 10:14 PM
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And how does the local community feel about villebois? Were there open meetings about heir proposals and how did the locals react?
Very curious!!
11-24-2007, 10:02 AM
Location: Beaverton, Oregon
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I just started a new thread about using GPS to share Oregon.
One of the last links I added for an example, was to Villebois Drive in Wilsonville.
It's a Google Earth file link.
Shows a graded field and roads prior to construction.
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