How do Oregonians feel about outsiders? (Portland, Eugene: apartment, felony, lawyer)

[tiffela74]

I am SOOOoooo darn tired of this....
"I Am So Disappointed In The Way Everybody Gets Opinions Of Californians And How We Come To Your State And Ruin Everything. "
can you see where it is extremely irritating to read posts generalizing "EVERYONE" then I post, and other people post how its NOT EVERYONE and we try to welcome people to move here as is their right and we get back posts that again whining "EVERYONE" and how "EVERYONE" treats people from out of state.
PLEASE LISTEN.....ITS NOT EVERYONE...ITS A SELECT FEW THAT HAPPEN TO BE VERY VOCAL.....MOST PEOPLE IN OREGON ARE QUITE FRIENDLY AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUE WITH WHERE THE HECK YOU LIVED BEFORE"
And as for being offended by someone coming up to me and going on and on about how terrific their previous state is, and how horrible Oregon is, how everything is better where they were from and on and on and on like this, ya, its going to be a turn off. You know what? I don't have an issue w/people talking about their previous state. What was beautiful and wonderful there, what they miss. If they had higher mountains, very cool, Im glad for that state. Better healthcare, ya, probably. Better schools, depending on wher you are, that could very well be true. But please, do not sit there and go on and on and on about the pros of there and the cons of here. Its rude.
If youre going to come to Oregon with a mindset like your post above, them yes, maybe a different state IS better for you. Can you see too, where your generalization of "EVERYONE"in oregon is just as bad as what you are preceiving? I am quite offended personally.
Tiffany

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by GoBeavs

[...] It's funny, you never hear Californians complaining about people moving to their state, and you never hear Oregonians complaining about people moving to California. You know most Oregonians would move if they were living in a housing market that was 500k+ and they stood to make a huge profit. Ignorant farmers man, I'm telling you.

I don't know what log you have been living under, but all you hear from Californians is complaints about it being taken over by Mexicans, how crowded it has become, the road rage, etc. The list goes on and on. A bunch of them move to Oregon, and then start complaining that they aren't anonymous any more, and can't get away with the crapola they pulled in California without somone nailing them for it. It's not the farmers who are ignorant, it's the cheek to jowl California urbanoids who don't know how to live like decent human beings.

Every society is faced with the necessity to socialize immigrants. In Oregon, we don't pass laws against people, we get right in their face and tell them they are being jerks. If they don't like that, they need to clean up their act.

Originally Posted by GoBeavs

Oh yeah, thank GOD Portland is liberal. If you're looking for conservatives, go be on a farm with all the other hillbillies. If you're looking for liberals, move into the city with people who actually live in the 21st century.

I think you would be amazed how many of those bicycle riders vote Republican. Certainly most of the people concerned with your GOD are on the right wing.

[GoBeavs]

Alright, so I guess I was out-of-line with that last post. However, Larry, the difference between Mexicans moving into California and Californians moving into Oregon is that in the latter case we are not discussing a politically charged issue regarding illegal immigration. We are discussing people moving freely about the nation, which I think everyone has a right to do without discrimination. Serious, if someone lives here in the US, they should have the right to live in ANY of the 50 states. The people who currently live there do NOT own the state, and it gets really old hearing all these old-timers sit around and cry about what their state used to be like. As time marches on, so does progress, it's inevitable.

Now, I should NOT have made the comments about farmers, because honestly not all farmers are bad, just as not all city-folk are bad. Still, I am really sick of people who are outside the major areas (Portland, Salem, Eugene) being the ones who are always complaining about outsiders. You see, people in the cities tend to be more liberal, as opposed to the strangely conservative rural areas of OR, and most here welcome outsiders. It is people in the rural areas of this state that are giving it a bad name to outsiders, and that's just plain stupid since you really don't make up a major part of the population AND you're all spread out all over the place.

[barbara d]

I live in happy Valley and am from calif and it has been really hard. people don't smile when you go in the stores and it rains and rains and rains. I hear so many navitive things about people from calif like we have some terrible things were going to give them. Like it's are fault that the regular person has a hard time buying a house because us calif have drove up the prices of the houses. It's our fault for people moving here am making the place become more like calif. Well since I have lived in oregon for only two years maybe I can't be the best judge. But my whole life there where people moving to calif and it was the people not from calif that would do the crazy stuff and then calif were called werid or crazy. I have been told by many oregon born people that they are proud of being kept to them selvers and not being overly friendly. I think oregon is such a beaufiul place really I do the trees and everything. I would not want to change that or would I want to make it like calif. The only thing I can say is I hate that is rains so much only because I am ill and the rain makes me hurt really bad. But I love the trees and the fresh air. I would not want to have the air here at all like it has become in southern calif and nor do I want to make the prices of the houses go up. I don't think calif drive worse then oregon people or are mean. I can turn my blinker on and nobody cares and will not let me over and will actually speed up just so I can't get over. I don't get why we can't just be kind no matter where we were first born first. I have four girls and just want the best for them. I will always miss the sunshine but becuas of my husband job we moved here and here is where I will probably live the rest of my life out. I hope to some day get to get out and see more of this beautiful state. Please who ever you are and where ever your from remember were all human beings and we all should try and be nicer to one another with the driving. I am amazed at the hit and run drivers here. god bless anyone and have a great day.

[barbara d]

I don't know what grade your daughter will be in but she will be ok. I too came from southeren calif an really you will do just fine. The rain is what will be the hardest to get use to more then the people. It's hard at any age to move anywhere but really I think it is the hardest for women when we get older. We move for our husbands jobs and if your a stay at home mom then it's even harder to meet people. keep your chin up your going to be fine. It really is a beautiful state really it is because of all the rain it does stay green atleast. I really hope the best of you and your family good luck and gods speed.
Barbara

[loosechange]

I was reading this post, because my family and I are considering a move to Oregon. Just considering at this point, because we want to leave the south, but aren't sure where we want to end up yet. We are self employed, so our move is not dictated by a job necessarily.

However, I wanted to say, I've lived all over. When I lived in N. Illinois, people hated the S. Wisconsinites taking their jobs. Then when I moved to S. Wis, they hated the Illinoisans moving to buy their cheaper priced homes. Then I lived in Cal, where the transplants all said that Californians were mean and hated them moving in to their state. Then I moved to Cleveland, where all the W. Virginians came and took their factory jobs. Then back to N. Wisconsin where all the Mexicans were coming in to take their jobs and now down to North Carolina, where they truly hate all the northerners moving down here taking their jobs and raising real estate prices.

So, you see, this problem is EVERYWHERE. And if you are a person like me, who tends to move every few years, you face this type of critisism constantly. I'm a good neighbor, I keep my property looking beautiful, I pay my taxes and yet...it's really hard to be accepted, just because of where I'm from.

And I think, wow, I really can't move back to Chicago, where I'm originally from, because the influx of people have driven the prices so high, I can't afford to live there. Am I angry about that? No! That's just the way it is.

I am encouraged by this thread though, it sounds like as long as you move to Oregon and plan on being a good neighbor, you'll have no issues. I understand there will always be those that don't welcome change. But hey, we live in a fast growing world, this is the way it is.

[tiffela74]

Great post LooseChange... sounds like you'll do just fine if you decide to move here. Im glad youre smart enough not to base a negative opinion on a few ranters and paranoid posts.
have you made any visits out here yet? What is making you think on Oregon for your new home?
again, great post. Welcome to here.
Tiffany

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by loosechange

However, I wanted to say, I've lived all over. When I lived in N. Illinois, people hated the S. Wisconsinites taking their jobs. Then when I moved to S. Wis, they hated the Illinoisans moving to buy their cheaper priced homes. Then I lived in Cal, where the transplants all said that Californians were mean and hated them moving in to their state. [...]

So, you see, this problem is EVERYWHERE. And if you are a person like me, who tends to move every few years, you face this type of critisism constantly. I'm a good neighbor, I keep my property looking beautiful, I pay my taxes and yet...it's really hard to be accepted, just because of where I'm from.

There really are some cultural differences. My mother came to Oregon in the 1930s, and was astonished that people in Oregon don't "neighbor" like people in the midwest do. She was very lonely, until she learned how to make friends in Oregon.

Things haven't changed much in the intervening 70 years. People in Oregon make friends based on mutual interests, through work or activities, not because they live next door. Many people view an overly friendly neighbor as a nuisance to be avoided.

[tiffela74]

I thought this was rather ironic timing......
first, i see this quote...

"I am amazed at the hit and run drivers here"

Then, in todays paper, I read this..
"U.S. marshals arrested a man in California late Friday who they say is a suspect in a deadly hit-and-run accident in North Bend (Oregon) from three days earlier.

Noe Garcia-Moncada was arrested on two felony counts of failure to perform duties of a driver involved in an accident, said Dale E. Ortmann of the U.S. Marshals Service in Portland.

Last Tuesday, Marilyn J. Vance, 68, was killed and her husband, Dallas L. Vance, 72, was critically injured in a hit-and-run accident in North Bend.

Ortmann said Dallas Vance was working in North Bend as a security officer for Social Security hearings. He has also worked federal court security for the U.S. Marshals office in Eugene.

Garcia-Moncada was arrested without incident as he left an apartment in Tustin, Calif., south of Los Angeles.

--- anyhow, again, i just found this ironic...
Tiffany

[trailerguy]

I made the horrible mistake of moving from San Francisco to Grants Pass in 1991. I was tired of the aggravations of living in SF and loved the scenery and climate of the Rogue Valley. I never once even mentioned, much less "went on" about how "everything" was better in California; to the contrary, I was effusive with excitement for my new home. I opened a small antique shop and got a nice writeup in the Courier. People actually drove in from 40 miles away to say to my face that there were too many Californians in Oregon. People whom I tried to make friends with regaled me with "Californian jokes", variations on bad lawyer jokes, centering on the idea that Californians are vermin who deserve to be killed in large numbers ("What do you call a thousand Californians buried up to their necks in sand? Not enough sand! Ha ha).
I called it quits after a year. The same people drove in 40 miles to ask if I was going back to California. I said no, I don't go backwards. I visited Chicago and pointedly told people I was from California and was thinking of moving here. "Oh great!," they all said, "You'll just love it here!" And I do. I occasionally miss something about San Francisco. I don't miss a damn thing about Oregon.
Nobody intentionally moves to a new place they think inferior to where they left, nor have they intention of being obnoxious. It is the Oregonians who strive to make newcomers miserable.