The Malheur Occupiers, Do They Have Any Legitimate Reasons to be there? (Portland: leases, business) - Oregon (OR) - Page 20 - City-Data Forum

PNW-type-gal · 02-02-2016, 09:53 AM

And now Ammon Bundy's father, Cliven Bundy, has waded into this mess, announcing that the "militia" will not back down until all their demands are met. Of course, he did this by sending a letter to the sheriff, how he can have contact with the people inside the Refuge, when it is on lockdown and they allegedly have no internet or cell connections, I have no idea.

Ammon must be sitting in his cell in Portland, muttering "shut up, Dad."

Cliven Bundy defies son Ammon in call for Oregon militia to stand their ground | US news | The Guardian

haggardhouseelf · 02-02-2016, 10:58 AM

You wonder if Cliven is stirring up this mess just to spite his son. Originally Cliven thought this was a bad idea, now that his son is arrested all of a sudden he's leading the charge? Maybe he only supports something if he can be the head rooster.

These people are so selfish. It was almost on the way to be dealt with in a way where people could get back to work, go back to their homes, etc. And now here we are... still being bothered by religious extremists living out their wild west cosplay at great expense to everybody else.

Irish4evr · 02-02-2016, 01:50 PM

I can't believe after the welfare farmers latest statements, that the Feds cannot start a RICO action against him. There is a strong, well publicized, documented history, the stand off in Nevada in 2014, and now his admitted involvement in Oregon.

I'm sure he sees his son's current legal issues as nothing more than being a maryter for the cause. Ammon's attorney suddenly retracted his review hearing today....undoubtly cuz Pa is to stupid to shut up.

Since 2014, four people have died needlessly...a small, quiet community totally disrupted, and countless taxpayer dollars wasted....Insane !

banjomike · 02-02-2016, 05:06 PM

The Bundys have always pushed things to the limit.
After the Bunkerville standoff in Nevada, there was another protest a few weeks later in the Recapture Canyon in Utah.

The organizer of that one, and the leader of the group of ATVs that were used, intended to stop at the end of the two-track road that leads into the canyon. This stop ends the road 14 miles from the cliff dwellings as to protect the archeology. Everyone in the group stopped except for Ryan Bundy, who drove his ATV around the leader, and a bunch of them followed Bundy into the sensitive area, driving the ATVs on a single track hiking path.

All who drove in were arrested later for damaging a protected historic site. Some were jailed, some fined.

Then Ammon Bundy did the same when he pushed what was originally a peaceful protest over the Hammond's re-sentencing into a much larger and much more tenuous issue.

That's the way they have always operated. The sons are following their father's example because it has worked well for the old man for 20 years.

Larry Caldwell · 02-03-2016, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish4evr

This just gets better and better. Now Cox, a reported mother of 12, states this is all about "putting God back in the schools"....first it was about releasing two convicted arsonists...then Bundy thought it would be a great idea if the Feds released the land (Harney County is about the size of Massachusetts) back to the State to manage...and now it's about God in the schools....they all need psychological intervention !

They picked the wrong state for that. God has never been in the schools in Oregon, unless it was a church school. You can't put something back that was never there.

KaaBoom · 02-06-2016, 02:20 PM

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Right-Wing Extremists, Militants Are a Bigger Threat America ISIS

They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. These Americans thrive on hate and conspiracy theories, many fed to them by politicians and commentators who blithely blather about government concentration camps and impending martial law and plans to seize guns and other dystopian gibberish, apparently unaware there are people listening who don’t know it’s all lies. These extremists turn to violence—against minorities, non-Christians, abortion providers, government officials—in what they believe is a fight to save America. And that potential for violence is escalating every day.

“Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups.

The problem is getting worse, although few outside of law enforcement know it. Multiple confidential sources notified the FBI last year that militia members have been conducting surveillance on Muslim schools, community centers and mosques in nine states for what one informant described as “operational purposes.” Informants also notified federal law enforcement that Mississippi militia extremists discussed kidnapping and beheading a Muslim, then posting a video of the decapitation on the Internet. The FBI also learned that right-wing extremists have created bogus law enforcement and diplomatic identifications, not because these radicals want to pretend to be police and ambassadors, but because they believe they hold those positions in a government they have created within the United States.

The unusual—and often daffy—world view of some right-wing extremists was on daily display during the January armed takeover of federal facilities at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. Expressing dismay that two ranchers convicted of arson were ordered to serve out the remainder of their mandatory minimum prison sentences, members of various militia groups occupied a building at the wildlife refuge, declaring their willingness to fight the government and, if necessary, die for their cause. They proclaimed that the federal government was tyrannical, that the Constitution is under siege.

The Malheur occupiers were belittled on late night talk shows and social media as “y’all-Qaeda” and “yee-haw-dists,” but what was unfolding in Oregon wasn’t funny—it was frightening. These people speak of martyrdom, bloodbaths and killings, sentiments that can be heard on any Islamist recruitment video. And when law enforcement finally took action on January 26 in a mass arrest, one of the militia members, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum—who had proclaimed he would rather die than go to jail—was shot dead.

Right-Wing Extremists, Militants Are a Bigger Threat America ISIS