Illegals in Oregon.. (Portland, Salem, Silverton: how much, lawyer, neighborhoods)

[Spose88]

Originally Posted by Alaskapat528

I have read and heard many times that Oregon is now getting over-run with the Mexican illegals and that violent crime is quickly on the rise. Is this so?

Dude- I hope you are just looking to stir things up a little.

If not, please consider the following-

OREGON: A 2007 study by the Oregon Center for Public Policy estimated that undocumented immigrants in Oregon pay state income, excise, and property taxes, as well as federal Social Security and Medicare taxes, which "total about $134 million to $187 million annually." In addition, "taxes paid by Oregon employers on behalf of undocumented workers total about $97 million to $136 million annually." As the report goes on to note, undocumented workers are ineligible for the Oregon Health Plan, food stamps, and temporary cash assistance.

Source: Oregon Center for Public Policy, Undocumented Workers Are Taxpayers, Too, Silverton, OR: April 10, 2007, p. 4.


You can read a complete report about undocumented immigrants and their impact on the economy from the Immigration Policy Center here: http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/publishe...ration2007.pdf

There are many hard working migrant workers willingly doing jobs I do not want to do and for wages lower than what I would accept. I do not support illegal immigration, I simply understand part of what drives it.

Crime has nothing to do with race.... please read this - Study: Immigrants don't raise U.S. crime rate | www.azstarnet.com ®

If you do not like the influx of undocumented workers, you need to discontinue doing business with those who pay them. People in need go to those who can provide what is needed.

[bobmulk]

"Dude", the Oregon Center for Public Policy does not document the costs to our society from illegal immigration...educating their children, the extra costs for bi-lingual education, the costs born by the hospitals which are overrun with illegals using its services and the social costs from crime.

You're right, race is not necessarily a factor in crime, but there are HUNDREDS of documented cases of illegals committing crimes from vandalism to murder and rape and identity theft.

If you're looking to support the "benefits" of illegal immigration, don't forget to include the incalculable costs from the detriment of illegal immigration, "Dude".

[bluejacket]

The mexican consul in Portland excused rape of a white female juvenile by a mexican illegal as a 'cultural' difference or misunderstanding. The US HAS to get control of it's southern border.

[Silverfall]

Originally Posted by bobmulk

"Dude", the Oregon Center for Public Policy does not document the costs to our society from illegal immigration...educating their children, the extra costs for bi-lingual education, the costs born by the hospitals which are overrun with illegals using its services and the social costs from crime.

You're right, race is not necessarily a factor in crime, but there are HUNDREDS of documented cases of illegals committing crimes from vandalism to murder and rape and identity theft.

If you're looking to support the "benefits" of illegal immigration, don't forget to include the incalculable costs from the detriment of illegal immigration, "Dude".

I think we have a couple of different issues here. What I see is that many people see a Hispanic person on the street and tend to assume they are here illegally. Yes, Salem has seen a rise in its Hispanic population, but many are here legally. Let's make sure we aren't being prejudiced against the people who actually followed the rules and are doing what they are supposed to.

Yes, illegal entry into the US is a significant problem and has a multitude of impacts on our society. Yes, they commit crimes in Salem as do legal Hispanics, Blacks, whites, Asians, etc...The fact is, as long as they can get hired and find a place to live, they will continue to come here. To me it really is that basic.

Oregon, despite being known as progressive, has a history of racism. Shoot until 1926, African-American's weren't legally allowed to live in Oregon. They were considered illegal immigrants. I would just encourage folks considering moving to the area to look at all data and opinions as objectively as possible. If crime is a concern look at the crime data. You can see where the highest crime areas are.

[timber mt]

Oregon seems to accept illegal aliens with open arms. Southern Oregon has had a big increase in the last few years. For as many that have moved here latey, I don't think violent crime has increased. Violent crime is kinda low here. If your worried about it , permits to carry a concealed handgun are easy for a law abiding citizen to obtain.

[haggardhouseelf]

Having lived the first 27 years of my life in Texas - some years in the richest parts of town and some years in the poorest - I feel like I have seen both sides to the illegal alien debate. Rich people pay their Mexican housekeepers, nanny's, maids, yard guys, and mechanics next to nothing for very hard work and unbeatable service. Rich people hire them for their businesses so they can make the highest profits. Rich people send their kids to the rich schools where the illegals can't afford to send their kids to, so it's not a problem for the rich people. Rich people get the best services, at little to no cost, and their children have the best of everything.

However... whom I feel suffers most... are the poor people and their children. Illegal or not... the poor neighborhoods are where the illegals live... and send their children... which puts strain on school which are already struggling because they are in poor neighborhoods. Parents living in these neighborhoods - illegal or not - are working sometimes two or three jobs just to make ends meet. Often they are single-parent households. Who suffers most?

The children. They go to struggling, overcrowded schools which are often housed in old deteriorating buildings. They have teachers who are underpaid and stressed-out. There are students who don't even know the language. There is a lack of parent volunteers (which many of the richer schools depend on for getting many things done...) because the poorer parents must work longer hours at sometimes more than one job. Often these poorer children (illegal or not) go home to empty homes with no one to help them with homework or keep them well-fed or cleaned or kept out of trouble.

The richer people love the illegals because they are practically slaves to them. It's the poor Americans and their children who suffer the most. While the rich American's hiring and bringing in the illegal aliens allow all this to happen... all for profit.

I personally think it would be more humane to set up schools specifically for migrant farmer/illegal alien children. Make the rich people who hire them pay for these schools. I think this would be a start in the right direction.

As far as crime - I agree with those who said most crime is drug-related. Most illegals are too busy trying to work and stay off the radar to do anything stupid. (I'm of course not saying it never happens.) And if you look at the prison populations - it's mostly African American. And if you look into the drug use among Americans, unfortunately the African American populations have the worst problems with drug use.

[illinoisboy]

As far as crime - I agree with those who said most crime is drug-related. Most illegals are too busy trying to work and stay off the radar to do anything stupid. (I'm of course not saying it never happens.) And if you look at the prison populations - it's mostly African American. And if you look into the drug use among Americans, unfortunately the African American populations have the worst problems with drug use.

Just take a look at this video I found on youtube.


Illegal Immigration Is Illegal


Illegal Immigrants Show Their Grattitude

Their talking about taking over nearly half of the United States? Craziness

[haggardhouseelf]

I don't really know what those were video's of, or who (poorly) made them? It could be anyone trying to make Mexican's look bad. I dunno. The same sort of video's are all over the internet showing bad things about our past and current presidents, celebrities, mothers, sisters, and cousins and everybody else. You shouldn't put too much stock in them, really. Whatever it was... I really don't feel that a few Mexican's making noisy fools of themselves in public represents all Mexican's or Hispanic's living here. I'm guessing it was LA - everybody's a little dramatic there, anyway.

And I'm not saying Illegals aren't illegal. Truly they are breaking laws and I don't agree with that. I would never enter into another country illegally. But many American's are hiring them, the work and higher wages that American's provide the illegals is encouraging more to come over here. And most of us are in some way supporting the work they do and the businesses and people they work for. Ever bought produce? Bought packaged food? Bought clothing supposedly "Made in the USA"? The label should read "Made in the U.S.A. by illegal aliens because real American's wouldn't work for such low pay and lack of benefits". The illegal alien problem touches all of us who have ever done any shopping or eating anywhere in America - most of us just don't know it. They are here and we just gotta deal with it in a way where American's can keep their high quality and low prices, and the constant influx of illegals can somehow be more humanely managed.

[illinoisboy]

I know those videos do represent a small portion of illegals, and yeah, it was in LA. I just thought it was really scary seeing what some people will do to get a point across. I realize that they are doing the jobs we don't want to do, but I also know that they are overcrowding our prisons. (those statistics were for real, they came from the FBI)

[Steve97415]

Originally Posted by Spose88

There are many hard working migrant workers willingly doing jobs I do not want to do and for wages lower than what I would accept.

The dismal character of those jobs wasn't always so. Agricultural and construction jobs -- before they became underground economies dependent on illegal labor -- used to offer respectable wages and decent working conditions for U.S. citizens. And this is one of the aspects of the illegal labor force that needs to be understood: it changes the character of a job market...who will work in it, what they will get paid, what conditions they will work under.
The attitude that the U.S. needs illegal labor as a practial reality...that it is dependent upon darker-skinned people who come from warmer parts of the world to do its agricultural stoop work...is just another sign that we haven't really given up on the idea of domestic slave labor. We've just changed the way in which our slaves will be indentured to us.