Moving from Southern California to Oregon (Eugene, Roseburg: relocation, budget, debts)

[IH8CALI]

Oregon does not wish to grow into the State that California has become. Those of us that are REAL TRUE Oregonians that STILL reside here enjoy the State for all of its beauty and smaller population. We live here and thrive here with the jobs and wages we have. I can understand how money hungry people like Dan want big business to expand. However, Dan is much to California stupid to realize that growth destroys the beautiful land and country that is Oregon. Obviously Dan wanted to move from Oregon to deal with the high crime, traffic and housing as opposed to just enjoying Oregon for what Oregon has to offer. Let me set the story straight for Dan in regards to stopping people from moving here: I am not opposed to people moving here. I am opposed to Californians moving here and bringing with them their attitudes that they are far superior to Oregonians and act like they belong here. I deal with these people on a DAILY basis. Oregonians feel that you must EARN the right to live here. So you came from California, does that give you the right to move to Oregon and act like idiots? All we ask is that when you move here, show respect for the way Oregon is and has been for many years. We drive a little slower, when we wave we use all of our fingers, we leave our doors unlocked and leave our keys in the ignition. It's how we want to live and it's not right to have Californians move up here and bring with them their fast driving, road rage, anger induced attitudes. Most people move here because they want a better quality of life. Lets keep it that way!

[snb3]

Originally Posted by IH8CALI

Oregon does not wish to grow into the State that California has become. Those of us that are REAL TRUE Oregonians that STILL reside here enjoy the State for all of its beauty and smaller population. We live here and thrive here with the jobs and wages we have. I can understand how money hungry people like Dan want big business to expand. However, Dan is much to California stupid to realize that growth destroys the beautiful land and country that is Oregon. Obviously Dan wanted to move from Oregon to deal with the high crime, traffic and housing as opposed to just enjoying Oregon for what Oregon has to offer. Let me set the story straight for Dan in regards to stopping people from moving here: I am not opposed to people moving here. I am opposed to Californians moving here and bringing with them their attitudes that they are far superior to Oregonians and act like they belong here. I deal with these people on a DAILY basis. Oregonians feel that you must EARN the right to live here. So you came from California, does that give you the right to move to Oregon and act like idiots? All we ask is that when you move here, show respect for the way Oregon is and has been for many years. We drive a little slower, when we wave we use all of our fingers, we leave our doors unlocked and leave our keys in the ignition. It's how we want to live and it's not right to have Californians move up here and bring with them their fast driving, road rage, anger induced attitudes. Most people move here because they want a better quality of life. Lets keep it that way!

I think you've mis-read Dan's post or are taking bits out of context. He never said Big Business is needed in OR.

I haven't seen how Californians are acting in OR and if they are truly as bad as you say, it sucks for everyone. But knowing that a good amount of Oregonians themselves are transplants and even if you're a native, what gives them the right to say who needs to earn anything to live anywhere? Sounds a little Socialistic, doesn't it? What, is OR just a large private planned community? Sign me up! I'd gladly pay any association dues to control who moves into the vast association that is the state. If anybody can related to how bad an invasion of sorts can be, Cali residents should be the experts on how debilitating that is.
Its unfortunate that some Californians, according to you, seemingly forgot why they sought out Or in the first place, they truly should know better after what most of them went through regarding non-natives moving in. But to suggest needing to "earn" their heart & home, is downright hogwash.

[DavePautsch]

It took our family a little while to adjust. We moved to the mid-Valley from Hawaii (and San Diego before that)...so the gloom was definitely something that we had to get used to!
There are so many good things here that outweigh the rainy season though. The summers are WONDERFUL! The people are friendly (again, I lived in major metro areas like San Diego and there really is a huge difference living here). The oceans are an hour and a half one way, the mountains are an hour the other...so many hiking and park areas...
Having lived in many places in my life, I've come to the conclusion that EVERYWHERE has something about it that "sucks"...but people live there don't they? That means that there must be something else that is better than whatever it is that "sucks!" Its usually the people!

Be open to the people here...and there is a LOT to love!

Dave

[DavePautsch]

Originally Posted by snb3

I think you've mis-read Dan's post or are taking bits out of context. He never said Big Business is needed in OR.

I haven't seen how Californians are acting in OR and if they are truly as bad as you say, it sucks for everyone. But knowing that a good amount of Oregonians themselves are transplants and even if you're a native, what gives them the right to say who needs to earn anything to live anywhere? Sounds a little Socialistic, doesn't it? What, is OR just a large private planned community? Sign me up! I'd gladly pay any association dues to control who moves into the vast association that is the state. If anybody can related to how bad an invasion of sorts can be, Cali residents should be the experts on how debilitating that is.
Its unfortunate that some Californians, according to you, seemingly forgot why they sought out Or in the first place, they truly should know better after what most of them went through regarding non-natives moving in. But to suggest needing to "earn" their heart & home, is downright hogwash.

having lived in Southern California (although I grew up in the East Coast)...I can heartily agree with snb3! Hear Hear!

[Des_Demona]

I've been asking around on MySpace and other chat rooms to some of the younger (17-35 year olds) people in Oregon how they feel about transplants from California and if they think that people from California are judged for being from there or have a hard time adjusting. I've found that a lot of them are actually transplants from California (lol) or someplace else but I've also found the natives to be either unaware of such sentiments or say that was "a long time ago and it's not like that anymore". I've really gotten mixed reviews but not one said anything negative about Californians moving to their state. Maybe they were trying not to offend me since they knew I was from California and I'm guessing my survey would have been more honest if an Oregonian had asked the questions but I asked them to be very honest and it seemed like they were.

I've come to the general conclusion that it is likely the older natives from smaller towns who have a problem with Californians as most of the people I talked with were young and from larger towns (Eugene, Portland, Corvallis etc.). It may be that the older folks have seen their state change over a longer period of time and are not happy about the changes they've seen which, coincidentally (or not) is how most older folks feel about wherever they are any place. I've been all over these boards because I'm interested to know about other places, attitudes, opinions etc. and everyone who is a bit older complains about how things in their town have "changed" and it's "not how it used to be anymore". I think Californians are an easy target to point the finger at since it's an obvious change.

Fact is, from talking to a lot of people I don't think anyone from anywhere should have a problem adjusting if they are young and moving to a bigger town rather than a smaller one. And the smaller town folks are probably very friendly and involved so I guess in that instance I'd right away try to get to know them and be as friendly as possible so you will feel a part of the community. They aren't going to do it for you, you gotta take the first steps and get to know your neighbors.

[Wayne G]

In the words of Rodney King, 'Can't we all just get along?". Wow, the dissention that exists between native Oregonians and transplants from California are, well lets just say... SICKENING. I live in So California and I am planning on leaving because it's become overcrowded, expensive and too stressful. When I talk to friends who have been to Oregon they recommend places like Bend and Medford. When I read these posts I get the sense that there is a real dislike for Californians who migrate to Oregon. Too bad, I'm sure that not all Californians are stuck up and not all Oregonians are resentful. Sabrina, all I can is your health is more important than anything else so hopefully you can make it back to California soon. As for me, I was considering Oregon but I am not too sure now.

[Clear2land]

To modify a line from Ronald Reagan, The problem with Oregonians, and I am a native, is not that they’re ignorant about Californians: It’s just that they know so much about Californians that isn’t so.” There is a small vocal group that for personal reasons resent Californians for just about everything including the weather.

You will assimilate into the population of Oregon just fine so forget about all this nonsense. I would not let a thread on any forum dissuade me from living wherever I want. Oregon needs to grow its population or it will stagnate.

Dan

[IH8CALI]

Oregon needs to grow its population or it will stagnate? -Word's of a true Californian. All I read on here is how much Californians want to move because of overpopulation, crime, high Mexican populations, high real estate and it's to stressful. What do you think will happen if they all move to Oregon? Us ignorant Oregonians know all too well why California is the way it is. Californians have allowed it to become this way. Same sex marriage, small communities of different nationalities where white people fear to go, allowing illegal immigrants drivers licence's, welfare and social security. Pay attention, because we don't allow this to happen in our state. We have voted against all of the about. Many of us Oregonians old and young don't want to see our wonderful state to end up like California. As I have said before, wanna move to Oregon? That's just fine with us but leave your California attitudes at the border. My friends, family and myself are sick of California drivers in Oregon and we have decided to make a stand. Whenever we see CA plates we make a point to watch their driving habits and if they act like idiots (Which most do) we pin them in the slow lane or prevent them from driving 80 mph. in the fast lane. You cut us off, we get even. Beware Califorians we aren't taking any more crap from you!!

[Steve97415]

Originally Posted by Clear2land

Oregon needs to grow its population or it will stagnate.Dan

That is indeed a shocking statement, but I've found it isn't uncommon among members of the older generation who don't understand population dynamics. Many who were born in the interwar period have had the pro-growth agenda rammed down their throats throughout their whole lives. In this defective stewardship ethic, issues like the carrying capacity of the land and the preservation of livability were given short shrift compared to job creation and corporate expansion. As any who have studied the philosophy of successful societies will know, it is sustainability, not growth, that is the goal. A child should grow until he achieves an ideal weight-to-height ratio at maturity and then stop -- anything further is obesity. Human populations are the same: growth has to have an objective, which once attained, obviates the need for further increase. Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. Oregon is now overweight to borderline obese. We need to downsize by about 20% over the next half-century to regain a sustainable population size and improve livability.

California proves the folly of pursuing unsustainable growth: livability becomes so compromised and the cost of living so elevated that people have to move away to enjoy a First World standard of living. Countries like France and New Zealand have proved that relentless growth isn't necessary for a high standard of living, and that, in fact, economies can often improve during a time of population loss.

[Clear2land]

If a populations grow out of control, you get inflation defined as too many people chasing to few goods. Inflation is very unhealthy to say the least. I am not advocating that Oregon needs a huge increase in population in order to sustain its economy. You will have to pardon my views for I have made my living for over 30-years on Wall Street. My mind is warped. Having said that, if half of Oregon’s population moved away tomorrow, you would have to cut city services, business would have to cut back or close, budgets would have to be reduced for road maintenance, forestry, wages would fall, and crime would increase. I agree with Steve though when he says he does not want to see Oregon become another California. The quality of life suffers in densely populated areas for sure. Oregon’s growth should begin to slow as a result of a slowing economy nationwide. Wage increases will slow and unemployment will increase. Cities and States need a good economy in order to fund their budgets. I am not sure we are accomplishing much by debating economic issues here on the forum but a lot of people are moving to Oregon that are looking for a job when they get there. They might be interested in living in a community that is growing its wage base. Not me, I’m done. My career is in my rear view mirror but I have not forgotten the importance of a good economy. One of the arguments for illegal immigration is that they are good for our economy. If we send them home, they won’t be spending their money here. That is partially true but many are not paying taxes that support the city services they use. It is far better to see money moving to Oregon than numbers of people.

Dan