Moving from Southern California to Oregon (Portland, Eugene: environment, lawyer, real estate)

[freedom]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

Yes, a gravel quarry is just what you want to look at or hear in a pristine agricultural valley......lol The 240 trucks estimated per day by the gravel company on an already narrow residential 2 lane road was "very" appealing too.

FYI, the unemployment office in Grants Pass told me the cost of living in Josephine County had gone up 20% in the last 10 or so years, but the wages had remained unchanged.

Where else would a gravel quarry go in a state that is 70% gov't owned? It is bound to be near someone.

Either you or the unemployment office is wrong. The state set minimum wage has increased at least 5 times in the last 10 yrs. It is now at $7.80. Second highest in the nation. Only Washington state is higher at $7.93
As a states min. wage increases, so do all other wages, due to the seniority of existing workers not wanting to be at the level of minimum.

freedom

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by freedom

Where else would a gravel quarry go in a state that is 70% gov't owned? It is bound to be near someone.

Either you or the unemployment office is wrong. The state set minimum wage has increased at least 5 times in the last 10 yrs. It is now at $7.80. Second highest in the nation. Only Washington state is higher at $7.93
As a states min. wage increases, so do all other wages, due to the seniority of existing workers not wanting to be at the level of minimum.

freedom

Well, I wouldn't put a gravel quarry in an area that is zoned agricultural. It's a fact that the sand and gravel companies in the area have everyone in their pocket. They retain anyone and everyone who they "may" need at some point, which means anyone in opposition to them....is outta luck because of a conflict of interest.

Also, why do the sand and gravel companies need to lie to obtain property if they're on the up and up? They don't care what laws they break, they think they're above the law. Case in point, their citation in the O'Brien area a few months back.

As far as wages go, you're mistaken. "Some" professional businesses may increase their wages when the minimum wage goes up, but I think the majority in the private sector do not.

I was working in Medford the last time the minimum wage went up - none of us got a raise. In fact, when we finally got one much later in the year, it was a measley $.25 an hour raise.

I'm sorry, but Oregon and especially southern Oregon, is in a depressed state.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

Well, I wouldn't put a gravel quarry in an area that is zoned agricultural. It's a fact that the sand and gravel companies in the area have everyone in their pocket. They retain anyone and everyone who they "may" need at some point, which means anyone in opposition to them....is outta luck because of a conflict of interest.

Also, why do the sand and gravel companies need to lie to obtain property if they're on the up and up? They don't care what laws they break, they think they're above the law. Case in point, their citation in the O'Brien area a few months back.

As far as wages go, you're mistaken. "Some" professional businesses may increase their wages when the minimum wage goes up, but I think the majority in the private sector do not.

I was working in Medford the last time the minimum wage went up - none of us got a raise. In fact, when we finally got one much later in the year, it was a measley $.25 an hour raise.

I'm sorry, but Oregon and especially southern Oregon, is in a depressed state.

You certainly have the right to your opinion, you do not have the right to make up facts.
The local Gravel company has to comply with State and local laws, just like every other company. To make unfounded statements of conspiracy is immature, and deceitful. If you have ever looked at mining laws they are so cumbersome and complex that no Aggragate co. or mining operation can comply 100% all the time. In fact the laws are written so as to be able to fine these co. when the revenue is needed in order to sustain the beauracracy that enforces them. Kind of like Policemen and radar guns targeting known areas for speeding cars.
In order to purchase Real Estate there is a public filing process, that is open for review, title companys are there to facilitate this.
Companys that don't raise the min. wage when the state mandates the law to raise, are breaking the law, and you could have brought this to the attention of those that enforce labor rules and laws. Again your comments are hollow and uninformed.

freedom

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by freedom

Part of the unemployment problem is the "not in my neighborhood mentality". The gravel companys are being pressured just like the timber industries.
Guess what, no gravel, no concrete, no houses, no jobs. Can we see the pattern.
Radical Enviromentalists can't have it both ways, by saying we need good paying jobs, and services, and then fight the businesses and industries that supply those jobs and industries.

The libraries are closed because industry can not access the raw materials that pay for them, so guess what you get Higher TAXES.
Economy 101.

Complain about the problems and offer no solutions. Texas is lucky to have you.

The solution would be implementing a sales tax but that seems to be a "not in my neighborhood" attitude so, I don't know what other solution there can be.

The entire economy doens't revolve around construction.

Granted a few businesses have moved to the area, but I don't think there are enough to off-set the lack of revenue lost when the federal government cut off the timber funding. Even those companies that have moved in, don't pay enough for families to survive.

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by freedom

You certainly have the right to your opinion, you do not have the right to make up facts.
The local Gravel company has to comply with State and local laws, just like every other company. To make unfounded statements of conspiracy is immature, and deceitful. If you have ever looked at mining laws they are so cumbersome and complex that no Aggragate co. or mining operation can comply 100% all the time. In fact the laws are written so as to be able to fine these co. when the revenue is needed in order to sustain the beauracracy that enforces them. Kind of like Policemen and radar guns targeting known areas for speeding cars.
In order to purchase Real Estate there is a public filing process, that is open for review, title companys are there to facilitate this.
Companys that don't raise the min. wage when the state mandates the law to raise, are breaking the law, and you could have brought this to the attention of those that enforce labor rules and laws. Again your comments are hollow and uninformed.

freedom

It's interesting that you would even think I'm making up facts.

I don't know what public filing process you're talking about. We didn't have to get permission from our neighbors to sell our land.

Everything I said is factual. If you choose not to believe it that's fine. Not too many people actually know what goes on in the rural areas. There is a lot more than meets the eye from what is printed in the newspapers, or you what you may hear on the local news channel. If they did know, I don't think the big businesses, such as the gravel companies, would get away with as much as they do.

It's truly a "good ole boy" network.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

It's interesting that you would even think I'm making up facts.

I don't know what public filing process you're talking about. We didn't have to get permission from our neighbors to sell our land.

Everything I said is factual. If you choose not to believe it that's fine. Not too many people actually know what goes on in the rural areas. There is a lot more than meets the eye from what is printed in the newspapers, or you what you may hear on the local news channel. If they did know, I don't think the big businesses, such as the gravel companies, would get away with as much as they do.

It's truly a "good ole boy" network.

My knowledge is first hand, I shared an office with the last 2 CFO's for "that" gravel company for over 3 yrs. Have had many business dealings with them, and have been to countless city and county board meetings. Nothing is done behind closed doors, it is all a public process that anyone can attend.
All property that goes through Title must be recorded in Oregon for it to stand up legally. No one can buy or sell under a false pretense. If you did not do your homework than Im sorry. But what did it matter who you sold to?

freedom

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by freedom

My knowledge is first hand, I shared an office with the last 2 CFO's for "that" gravel company for over 3 yrs. Have had many business dealings with them, and have been to countless city and county board meetings. Nothing is done behind closed doors, it is all a public process that anyone can attend.
All property that goes through Title must be recorded in Oregon for it to stand up legally. No one can buy or sell under a false pretense. If you did not do your homework than Im sorry. But what did it matter who you sold to?

freedom

LOL well no wonder you're defending them, I suspected as much! Honestly it didn't matter who I sold to, but as you probably know, our 515k "cash" offer was later revoked because of your project across from us, and it was definately worth more than it finally sold for. And the fact that a name of a relative of Copeland's mysteriously appeared "at the signing," as opposed to being honest and forthright about it from the beginning - because they "knew" we were a part of the suit against them. Of course, honesty and integrity don't seem to be a trait they possess. I won't even get into the gold mining aspect of it....lol

I know property has to be recorded. I wasn't sure what you were referring to. As far as homework, there was no way to predict that a seperate name would appear out of the blue on my paperwork as I sat down to sign the final escrow papers. Nor would the buyer disclose what he did for a living - and he never would look me in the eye for that matter. I'm sure that was part of the plan.

[WannaBNorCal]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

I wasn't sure what you were referring to. As far as homework, there was no way to predict that a seperate name would appear out of the blue on my paperwork as I sat down to sign the final escrow papers. Nor would the buyer disclose what he did for a living - and he never would look me in the eye for that matter. I'm sure that was part of the plan.

That's why it's always good to read that fine print - bites you in the arse every time!

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by WannaBNorCal

That's why it's always good to read that fine print - bites you in the arse every time!

Hello?? Did you miss the part where the other name was "added" - seperate from our original contract by the buyer on the day of closing.........WITHOUT disclosing it to us beforehand???

It wasn't in the fine print! It was nowhere until the 11.59th hour!

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

LOL well no wonder you're defending them, I suspected as much! Honestly it didn't matter who I sold to, but as you probably know, our 515k "cash" offer was later revoked because of your project across from us, and it was definately worth more than it finally sold for. And the fact that a name of a relative of Copeland's mysteriously appeared "at the signing," as opposed to being honest and forthright about it from the beginning - because they "knew" we were a part of the suit against them. Of course, honesty and integrity don't seem to be a trait they possess. I won't even get into the gold mining aspect of it.

When you sold the property you sold your standing in the lawsuit. If you lost the appeals to DSL and the LCDC, you would probably have lost the lawsuit anyway. If you didn't exhaust your administrative appeals, the court won't even hear the case.

It seems to me that, if neighbors object to the operation, buying the neighboring property is a friendly thing to do. If they felt you were being irrational, I can understand their trying to avoid pushing your buttons on the subject.

Quarries are not bad neighbors.