Moving from Southern California to Oregon (Eugene, Coos Bay: equity, relocation, property taxes)

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

When you sold the property you sold your standing in the lawsuit. If you lost the appeals to DSL and the LCDC, you would probably have lost the lawsuit anyway. If you didn't exhaust your administrative appeals, the court won't even hear the case.

It seems to me that, if neighbors object to the operation, buying the neighboring property is a friendly thing to do. If they felt you were being irrational, I can understand their trying to avoid pushing your buttons on the subject.

Quarries are not bad neighbors.

I really don't understand your thinking here. Why should people even have to consider selling their dream property or land that's been in their families for generations because of the greed of one company? Why would they want to hear rocks being dumped into metal trucks, or being ground into gravel, trucks driving past their homes 240 times a day - not to mention ruining the habitat of some animals and fish that are already protected? Why would they want their children put in danger while waiting for a school bus with such large trucks driving on a narrow road?

The peacefulness would be gone, the river would never be the same again as is evidensed by their previous sites, property values are greatly depreciated, the wineries in the region suffer. The list goes on.

Picture below with a bridge big enough to accomodate heavily loaded dump trucks, and a quarry just beyond the trees.

Picture the bridge right where the tree is in the second picture.

Regardless, my point is, if the gravel company wanted to buy it, "they" should have made an offer instead of sending a husband and wife out "acting/lying" as if they were buying it to build a home.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

LOL well no wonder you're defending them, I suspected as much! Honestly it didn't matter who I sold to, but as you probably know, our 515k "cash" offer was later revoked because of your project across from us, and it was definately worth more than it finally sold for. And the fact that a name of a relative of Copeland's mysteriously appeared "at the signing," as opposed to being honest and forthright about it from the beginning - because they "knew" we were a part of the suit against them. Of course, honesty and integrity don't seem to be a trait they possess. I won't even get into the gold mining aspect of it....lol

I know property has to be recorded. I wasn't sure what you were referring to. As far as homework, there was no way to predict that a seperate name would appear out of the blue on my paperwork as I sat down to sign the final escrow papers. Nor would the buyer disclose what he did for a living - and he never would look me in the eye for that matter. I'm sure that was part of the plan.

You mis-understood. I have never worked for them, I don't have a project across from your past property, but I do know what really is going on.
I am not against raw materials being available to build homes for people that want to move here. In this case, in order to make certain types of concrete and septic system supplies (drain rock) it needs to come from areas that a river has run through at one time or another.
Seeing as the Gov't owns 70% of the land and Enviros fight any public land mining operations, it makes sense that the only available land would be on Private land.
Which happens to be the only other option. Most private land is next to other private land, so people are effected (surprise).
The conspiracy speak is hollow and uninformed. The "i've got mine club" is a growing problem in this state, and those that are part of it seem to not have the vision of the repercussions of their acts, and thoughts.
Less developable land, leads to higher prices, higher material prices leads to higher prices.
Which means only the wealthy will be able to afford to build or move here.
Which means eventually those that want to have a simple Oregon life, will be priced and taxed out of their dream.
All because the I've got mine club and conspiracy uninformed talk without knowledge and get the State and counties to move in their direction while those building it are too busy to keep up on all the litigation and rules being impressed upon them. And have to spend time playing damage control.


freedom

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by freedom

You mis-understood. I have never worked for them, I don't have a project across from your past property, but I do know what really is going on.
I am not against raw materials being available to build homes for people that want to move here. In this case, in order to make certain types of concrete and septic system supplies (drain rock) it needs to come from areas that a river has run through at one time or another.
Seeing as the Gov't owns 70% of the land and Enviros fight any public land mining operations, it makes sense that the only available land would be on Private land.
Which happens to be the only other option. Most private land is next to other private land, so people are effected (surprise).
The conspiracy speak is hollow and uninformed. The "i've got mine club" is a growing problem in this state, and those that are part of it seem to not have the vision of the repercussions of their acts, and thoughts.
Less developable land, leads to higher prices, higher material prices leads to higher prices.
Which means only the wealthy will be able to afford to build or move here.
Which means eventually those that want to have a simple Oregon life, will be priced and taxed out of their dream.
All because the I've got mine club and conspiracy uninformed talk without knowledge and get the State and counties to move in their direction while those building it are too busy to keep up on all the litigation and rules being impressed upon them. And have to spend time playing damage control.


freedom

You still didn't address my point about sending two people over posing as a couple wanting to build a home there.

While I can appreciate what you're saying, surely you can understand that the only real resources Oregon has, aside from tourist trade, is timber and rock. Eventually the uniqueness and beauty of the state is going to be trashed if other avenues of revenue aren't looked at.

The only option is imposing a sales tax. At least that way the residents aren't income taxed to death like they are now, and hopefully their property taxes could be reduced too.

If you really know what went on, you should know "the company" added the property owner across the river from us to their board of directors, bought him a nice new enclosed air-conditioned tractor, probably paid him a big chunk, and in exchange, "the company" was added to his deed - just in time for measure 37 to be approved.

Therefore, when that neighbor filed his measure 37 application.....voila...."the company" was in like flint because obviously, the state doesn't have the resources to pay for the supposed loss of income for the claimants. It should have been deemed a conflict of interest from the get go since "the company" was listed on the deed, and they are the ones who also assessed the value of the proposed excavation.

You can make fun of what you're deeming as uninformed conspiracy talk till you're blue in the face, it still doesn't change facts. "The company" is VERY well connected at all levels, and they're not above paying for, or bending rules for favors. The residents in that valley aren't a bunch of uneducated morons. My neighbors were professional political activists who were offered to be paid off, in order for them to quit the lawsuit and go away. It had nothing to do with purchasing their property - that was never even offered.

Making fun of people who care about their environment, and surroundings where they live is plain hypocritical. There are plenty of other areas that could be excavated but that area is their choice for two reasons. 1. It's just down the road from their rock and gravel plant in Murphy. 2. Potential gold for grandma.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

You still didn't address my point about sending two people over posing as a couple wanting to build a home there.

What should I adress, I was never part of it. If people lie, that is on their heads. They will be judged accordingly.

While I can appreciate what you're saying, surely you can understand that the only real resources Oregon has, aside from tourist trade, is timber and rock. Eventually the uniqueness and beauty of the state is going to be trashed if other avenues of revenue aren't looked at.

This was clearly a personal effect on your life, but surely not the reason you moved. What does someone in Texas care about what happens in Oregon. Man leaves a footprint.

The only option is imposing a sales tax. At least that way the residents aren't income taxed to death like they are now, and hopefully their property taxes could be reduced too.

As a real estate investor and developer, I agree... Take the out of balance burden off of property owners and retirees...

If you really know what went on, you should know "the company" added the property owner across the river from us to their board of directors, bought him a nice new enclosed air-conditioned tractor, probably paid him a big chunk, and in exchange, "the company" was added to his deed - just in time for measure 37 to be approved.

Hmmm. Gravel company pays property owner for the right to mine on the property owners property...amazing how the free market works. One entity owns and sells to another, even if part of the deal is a tractor. That is called a capital investment to a business venture, so the property owner was not liable for a income tax bill on the value of the tractor. Sounds like a sweet deal for all, and good legal business dealing.

Therefore, when that neighbor filed his measure 37 application.....voila...."the company" was in like flint because obviously, the state doesn't have the resources to pay for the supposed loss of income for the claimants. It should have been deemed a conflict of interest from the get go since "the company" was listed on the deed, and they are the ones who also assessed the value of the proposed excavation.

And the potential for thousands of yards of concrete for new homes and businesses and highway infrastructure was made possible, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars which are surely passed on to the future residents of Oregon. The "not in my backyards", and "I've got mines" have done the community a great service, increasing the cost of development.

You can make fun of what you're deeming as uninformed conspiracy talk till you're blue in the face, it still doesn't change facts. "The company" is VERY well connected at all levels, and they're not above paying for, or bending rules for favors. The residents in that valley aren't a bunch of uneducated morons. My neighbors were professional political activists who were offered to be paid off, in order for them to quit the lawsuit and go away. It had nothing to do with purchasing their property - that was never even offered.

Again, if you understood the cumbersome oversight you wouldnt' make such remarks, and so what if people are offered compensation for their inconvieniences, that is noble. It is called reparations, and it is completely honorable, and they don't have to do it. They understand that the lawyers they pay to fight are added to the cost of the project, and passed on to the public.

Making fun of people who care about their environment, and surroundings where they live is plain hypocritical. There are plenty of other areas that could be excavated but that area is their choice for two reasons. 1. It's just down the road from their rock and gravel plant in Murphy. 2. Potential gold for grandma.

Name one place that they could get the raw materials that were at the Krauts bar, did you offer another area. Do you think that they do this to torment the citizens? Pick the area that would anger the most people possible? They are a business. They don't have time to play games and hurt the community. Pissing people off is not profitable.

freedom

[Waterlily]

We're becoming way off topic here. Please stay on the main topic. Thanks
No more talk about gravel pits. The quote below is the main subject.

Originally Posted by outdoor girl

After reading about all the gloom in Northern Oregon, I'm not sure if Portland will be a good place to live. Our Transfering choices are Portland, Bend, Eugene, Medford, Roseburg and Salem. Now, just because we come from Los Angeles, doesn't mean we are sun worshipers. The Summers here have reached 106 and Winters get as cold as 34. We really could do without the heat, but at the same time don't want freezing temps in the Winters everyday.

We have vacationed quite a bit in Oregon. We have been to Gold Beach- alone the Rogue River, Oregon Dunes, Diamond and Crater Lake and Klamath Falls. All which we love and helped to make our decision to move to Oregon. We are an Outdoor loving family. We need lots of trees and streams to go fishing. Rain doesn't bother us. I'd rather have rain than snow since my husband drives class A trucks. It's just all the "depression" stories that is making us think twice about Portland. We are looking to feel safe and enjoy a good quality of life. All opinions/comments are appreciated.

[freedom]

It is a huge surprise to most people moving here, how strict land use is. Utilizing farm and forest, while having residential culture shock is a big issue with the newly arrived. Something I think most don't consider.
I experience alot of reactionary, no footprint fanaticism here in the rurals. Glad to see your a well informed citizen of Oregon.

I too believe that this thread, if understood. Could remove a lot of the puzzlement, and confusion as to what Oregon is about, and how to make it better for more people.

Waterlilly, I apologize for going into so much detail, and understand how it may not be anything the OP was looking for. I'll work on context.
But, as you can see it is a important issue to myself and others that help provide homes and developed properties to those that wish to move here, or why they leave.

freedom

[SirLukesHouse]

Wow.... I loved visiting GP and if the Bank would get a grip and fund all ready My Parents could Retire there! Since they do not need to work the should have a good last few yrs of life! No the hpouse they looked at was not a meth house. Being from YES So Cal in Meth land here. GP was YES, Less of a nightmare than here with all of the Illegals flooding in!

[SirLukesHouse]

Major typos sorry.running off to work. Here in Ca lots of Jobs no peace of mind if you lose it to the Border jumpers.

[ChefAdri]

Hi there, I live in Halsey, Or which is about 25 min., north of Eugene. I moved from form So Cal. I have a love/hate thing going on with this place. We moved here so I could stay home with my children.
Just like everytlhing in life there are positives and negatives! The positives are: clean air, beautiful views, nice people, great summers, descent housing prices. Hardly any traffic, RESPECTFUL drivers, Menonites (amazingly faithful kind people,) no pollution , during the summer it doesn't get dark until about 9:30! we get snow about once a year which is so beautiful and the kids just love it!!!It melts right away though!!
The negatives about Oregon, cold, foggy, wet, acreage is too much $$$, SUPER high property taxes!!! not enough funding for libraries. No local museums, theatres. Utilities are more than in SoCal!!! Food and clothes are the same if not more ! Jobs pay so bad here!! I looked into teaching and in the local district I'd have to contribute about $800 monthly for health insurance, where in SoCal my employer paid 100% of my inurance! So in reality we have not been able to save any money and in we're in debt more than ever. Myself and a lot of people get allergies during spring because Willamette Valley is the grass seed capital of the world!!!Farmers also grow hay, and wheat. During the summer I coudn't go outside at all!!
We have decided to go back. Its actully bittersweet because my kids like it here but we can't afford to live here anymore. Good luck but thing really hard about it!! I'll never regret having lived here. I've met some really amazing people and been to some awesome places in Oregon but it's just not the place for me!! I think two of my kids will be returing to college here and ultimately becoming residents. As for me, give me some sun!!!I want a tan and the wrinkles that go with that tan! good luck!!!

[little peg]

Originally Posted by ChefAdri

Hi there, I live in Halsey, Or which is about 25 min., north of Eugene. I moved from form So Cal. I have a love/hate thing going on with this place. We moved here so I could stay home with my children.
Just like everytlhing in life there are positives and negatives! The positives are: clean air, beautiful views, nice people, great summers, descent housing prices. Hardly any traffic, RESPECTFUL drivers, Menonites (amazingly faithful kind people,) no pollution , during the summer it doesn't get dark until about 9:30! we get snow about once a year which is so beautiful and the kids just love it!!!It melts right away though!!
The negatives about Oregon, cold, foggy, wet, acreage is too much $$$, SUPER high property taxes!!! not enough funding for libraries. No local museums, theatres. Utilities are more than in SoCal!!! Food and clothes are the same if not more ! Jobs pay so bad here!! I looked into teaching and in the local district I'd have to contribute about $800 monthly for health insurance, where in SoCal my employer paid 100% of my inurance! So in reality we have not been able to save any money and in we're in debt more than ever. Myself and a lot of people get allergies during spring because Willamette Valley is the grass seed capital of the world!!!Farmers also grow hay, and wheat. During the summer I coudn't go outside at all!!
We have decided to go back. Its actully bittersweet because my kids like it here but we can't afford to live here anymore. Good luck but thing really hard about it!! I'll never regret having lived here. I've met some really amazing people and been to some awesome places in Oregon but it's just not the place for me!! I think two of my kids will be returing to college here and ultimately becoming residents. As for me, give me some sun!!!I want a tan and the wrinkles that go with that tan! good luck!!!

I am so sorry you are having to move again and with kids, man alot of work this is why I try to bring some realistic thought to this forum. Many are pie in the sky about oregon, it is beautiful but is rapidly becoming so expensive, that I hope people understand they will be paying Cal prices but maybe not the Cal Paycheck, good luck . And then they do not allow you to sell your land, see above discussion.