Moving from Southern California to Oregon (Portland, Eugene: environment, transplants, vacation)

[freedom]

Originally Posted by NativeJodi

I have every right to my opinion. I've earned it.

Ofcourse you have a right to your opinion. You don't have a right to keep Oregon for just those born in Oregon! Every US citizen has a right to live here....

If you've met any native Oregonians over the age of 20, then I would venture that yes, you have indeed met people who share my opinion; they simply haven't told you how they really feel. I don't share my opinion with everyone I meet in person in my daily life, either. Doesn't mean I don't have one.

I know hundreds of natives none of them see only one side of the issue. They understand clearly that their lives are better of with the migration of people from all states.

What others bring? You're referring, I assume, to the crime, traffic, pollution, crappy attitudes, bad driving, overcrowding... oh, and let's not forget the whining and complaining about our Oregon weather. It's been my experience that those are the things all those California transplants have brought here over the past 40+ years.

They don't last long, they usually go back to where they came from or go somewhere else. You do know that there has always been crime and pollution and bad attitudes before others moved here right? Paper mills, lumber mills, remember when all the sawdust was burnt up in wigwams? Woodstoves are used a lot less now that natural gas and higher effeciency heat pump systems are used. Portland and Salem have been crowded way before the record influx... I'm just not buying it, find your happy place and find a way to appreciate your fellow Americans, cheap advice i know, but there it is.

freedom

[NativeJodi]

Originally Posted by freedom

... I'm just not buying it, find your happy place and find a way to appreciate your fellow Americans, cheap advice i know, but there it is.

freedom

You really crack me up, freedom. Leave it to a transplanted builder to desperately sing the virtues, all over this public forum, of moving up from so. Cal. to Oregon. Just like the real estate agents who post here, naturally you want to continue to drum up more business for yourself by encouraging more "socals."

At least those reading comments here can rest assured that I am being honest. Brutally, yes, but honest nonetheless.

[angelbug]

Originally Posted by NativeJodi

Odd. I'm a native Oregonian who has a college education and an IQ of over 130; and I do indeed care where you are from. Got news for you, Dear: There are many, many more like me. I doubt very seriously anyone who knows me would classify me as a "stupid, in-bred mouthbreather."

I've spent my entire life watching the influx of people, particularly Californians, pretty much destroy our Oregon way of life. So I really think we "mouth-breathing" long-time natives have a right to our opinions. Trust me on this one: We've earned 'em... a thousand times over, in fact.

You know, I read the Oregon boards because I'm planning to join some friends and relatives by moving to Portland in a year or so, and coming from northern CA, I've seen some people with your attitude, but not that many. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, just like everyone else. I guess the things I find distasteful, though, are that 1) you just joined this forum and you blow in here bad-mouthing an entire group of people that you don't personally know, just because they live or came from somewhere else, which I doubt you would do to, say, Mexicans, or Africans, or Chinese, at least, not in public; 2) you have to make sure your user name lets everyone know you're a NATIVE, as if somehow that makes your opinions legitimate; and 3) you have to brag about your IQ to make them seem even more legitimate, when it isn't even especially high.

There have been several posters who have gotten themselves booted of these forums for being particularly rude and provocative - in fact, you may be one of them, back in different guise, I don't know. Luckily for you, I don't generalize about Oregonians the way you do about Californians, or I'd say they're a pretty miserable and rude bunch.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by NativeJodi

You really crack me up, freedom. Leave it to a transplanted builder to desperately sing the virtues, all over this public forum, of moving up from so. Cal. to Oregon. Just like the real estate agents who post here, naturally you want to continue to drum up more business for yourself by encouraging more "socals."

At least those reading comments here can rest assured that I am being honest. Brutally, yes, but honest nonetheless.

I haven't built a new house in 2 yrs. I currently am just an investor and desire no business from this site (although your tip on another thread may pan out). My agenda, if you will, is to give a balanced opinion of my life and experience in the best place on earth to live "Oregon".

If I chose to, I could retire completely. Which would be really boring. I love people and the inner-action with them. I love to see others live their dreams and prosper in the greatest country ever formed in the history of the world...

To encourage people and give them hope is more important than any monetary gain, once the money thing is out of the way, it is much easier to see what is really important...

The world is coming to a head, and the faster people can get out of the big cities the better.

How's that for honesty...

freedom

[CedarView]

Freedom, I like you. Will you build my house next Spring in KFalls?? You can charge me a big California rate.

[freedom]

Originally Posted by CedarView

Freedom, I like you. Will you build my house next Spring in KFalls?? You can charge me a big California rate.

Thats very kind of you CedarView, but i'll have to refer you to the Klamath county homebuilders assoc.....
We can't have the NATIVE getting restless now can we....

freedom

[bobmulk]

Freedom...you don't owe NativeJodi an answer for your livelihood. Ignore him/her.

Everyone else: NativeJodi DOES NOT speak for all Oregonians and I am quite confident that she doesn't speak for MANY Oregonians relatively. As a native who has also lived outside of this state, I haven't come across anyone complaining about outsiders for YEARS. The primary reason, I believe, is that most people have grown up and gotten over it. It also helps that many more are from somewhere else or that most of us know someone from somewhere else and we're far too intelligent and sophisticated to make such stupid remarks like blaming Californians for everything. That type of attitude went the way of Tom McCall years ago. He made an innocent comment and the anti-everything, brain-dead crowd picked it up, ran with it and debased it to the lowest common denominator.

NO ONE has the right to deny ANYONE the chance to live in Oregon or anywhere in the nation. You don't like it? That's your privilege. To all you who want to come here--WELCOME. We need the vitality, openness, diversity, brain power, etc. to advance our state. We especially need the brain power so it will continue to dilute the small-mindedness that seems to be so prevalent among the hatemongers.

[Bendite]

Well said, Bobmulk. It's an interesting thing - blaming Californians for everything wrong - and it isn't just happening in Oregon. I really find it curious, though - what is a Californian anyway? Although I was born in Oregon, my family moved to California in the early 1950s when I was just a little tyke and back then, almost no one in California, at least that my family knew, had been born in California. I remember kids talking about it through the 7 years I lived there - almost all of us had come from other states. When I moved to Colorado in the late 1960s, Don't Californicate Colorado was a popular expression and people drove around with NATIVE bumper stickers. When I moved back to Oregon a few years ago, some people were still talking badly about Californians in Colorado just like some do here. I've reached the conclusion that a Californian is not a person, it is a bad attitude and some of the worst Californians are "native" to Oregon (or Colorado)

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by Bendite

Well said, Bobmulk. It's an interesting thing - blaming Californians for everything wrong - and it isn't just happening in Oregon. I really find it curious, though - what is a Californian anyway? Although I was born in Oregon, my family moved to California in the early 1950s when I was just a little tyke and back then, almost no one in California, at least that my family knew, had been born in California. I remember kids talking about it through the 7 years I lived there - almost all of us had come from other states. When I moved to Colorado in the late 1960s, Don't Californicate Colorado was a popular expression and people drove around with NATIVE bumper stickers. When I moved back to Oregon a few years ago, some people were still talking badly about Californians in Colorado just like some do here. I've reached the conclusion that a Californian is not a person, it is a bad attitude and some of the worst Californians are "native" to Oregon (or Colorado)

I'm not sure what part of CA you lived in, but there was nothing but natives when I grew up in the 50's in So. Cal. I am a native Californian. Most of our parents were from another state though. Moving into, and out of, the state has been the norm there for years.

My grandparents on both sides moved to S. CA in the early 40's from Oklahoma. They paid $3.28 per acre for their land, and built their own houses.

I honestly think there's a huge amount of envy from people of other states about Californians and CA in general, because the state while expensive, offers anything and everything a person could want - somewhere in the state anyway. Most people I've met in all states have said they want to visit there. Heck, when I moved to VA in 1968, my fellow students were facinated with it.

[Farmergrl]

I've given up on moving to Oregon. Happy where I am right now. God has given me peace and helped me to grow where I'm planted.
We'll probably be raptured very soon anyways. SO who cares? Perhaps this Fall...on the Sukkot? No one will care after that WHERE your from! Just where you're goin....