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Old 11-08-2009, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Electric lady, maybe you should read the US Census: the whole country of the United States is European (white) majority. Most of the Hispanics are at least partly European as well. As for Colorado, I have traveled the rural parts for ten years now and while I am used to hearing whites say there are no people of color, it's just not true. Thre are Asians, Hispanics, and African Americans all over the state, just not the majority.


Krnstz: usually posting a debate about two states is better done in the general forums or these sort of discussions (?) get going. I'd say if you have to ask strangers which of these two completely different geographically and weather wise places you would rather live, you should do more traveling first.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Krnstz: usually posting a debate about two states is better done in the general forums or these sort of discussions (?) get going. I'd say if you have to ask strangers which of these two completely different geographically and weather wise places you would rather live, you should do more traveling first.

I'm not sure I agree. Colorado and W. Oregon have largely different climates, but the states as a whole share many similarities, and they attract many of the same people. Having lived in both states, I would say they are two of the most similar states in the West. White conservative, trending left over recent years. Targeted by equity rich Californians, who are largely blamed for everything from traffic to taxes. One big city and population center (Front Range and Willamette Valley), with many smaller politically overwhelmed subregions, outdoor paradise meccas for the young, with very low pay for teaching and other state jobs, but folks come anyway. Inflated real estate (did I mention invading Californians...hehe). Just my opinions here, of course.

Regardless, I think it is entirely appropriate for someone to post asking for comparisons. Why not? That is what we talk about here, and let's face it traveling is expensive, and sometimes quite difficult. I think it is a challenge for all posters to not get caught up in tit for tat debates, and not the fault of the OP. Just my 2 cents. I will admit I enjoy thinking about different states, I find it fun and interesting.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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The original poster simply wanted people's opinions on which state had better scenery.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Motown
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The original poster simply wanted people's opinions on which state had better scenery.
Good point.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Bentonville, AR
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Electric lady, maybe you should read the US Census: the whole country of the United States is European (white) majority. Most of the Hispanics are at least partly European as well. As for Colorado, I have traveled the rural parts for ten years now and while I am used to hearing whites say there are no people of color, it's just not true. Thre are Asians, Hispanics, and African Americans all over the state, just not the majority.


Krnstz: usually posting a debate about two states is better done in the general forums or these sort of discussions (?) get going. I'd say if you have to ask strangers which of these two completely different geographically and weather wise places you would rather live, you should do more traveling first.
I've moved cross country three times in my life and have never been able to travel to the state I was moving to in all locations and in all seasons. I figured the forum would be a little more affordable and reasonable to get some more information.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I'm not sure I agree. Colorado and W. Oregon have largely different climates, but the states as a whole share many similarities, and they attract many of the same people. Having lived in both states, I would say they are two of the most similar states in the West. White conservative, trending left over recent years. Targeted by equity rich Californians, who are largely blamed for everything from traffic to taxes. One big city and population center (Front Range and Willamette Valley), with many smaller politically overwhelmed subregions, outdoor paradise meccas for the young, with very low pay for teaching and other state jobs, but folks come anyway. Inflated real estate (did I mention invading Californians...hehe). Just my opinions here, of course.

Regardless, I think it is entirely appropriate for someone to post asking for comparisons. Why not? That is what we talk about here, and let's face it traveling is expensive, and sometimes quite difficult. I think it is a challenge for all posters to not get caught up in tit for tat debates, and not the fault of the OP. Just my 2 cents. I will admit I enjoy thinking about different states, I find it fun and interesting.
The demographic picture may be similar but the realities of living in the two places are different. Eastern Oregon is more like the Mtn States region, but there are many areas in Colorado that do not fit your stereotype at all. The ones that do are the same as everywhere: if it's a beautiful place fora resort, or to retire, the rich from other places move in. For all other areas, they are quite different in some ways. Colorado rural areas are farther apart than the majority of places in western Oregon. You can't just do a farm or garden in most of the state due to water issues. The tax base is completely different. And I disagree that they attract the same "type of" people. "young and likes the outdoors" describe the majority of young people everywhere.

As for the population centers, in Colorado the population ranges all up and down from Pueblo to Fort Collins. I don't think the downstate locales in oregon have as big of a population and if they do, it's more scattered in small pockets. Plus you have the Bend area for which there is no comparable place in Colorado at all--the mtn resorts do not have enough space for that and so are extremely expensive. As for living both places, so have I. I can tell you that public tranportation in Portland has been ahead of Denver for decades, and still is, regardless of the population of the two places.

If conservatives are still moving into Oregon from California, that trend has slowed or stopped here. We are actually getting transplants from midwestern areas now.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Denver
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The people who love Colorado weather love the drought and desert conditions along with the sunshine--kind of like the people attracted to eastern Oregon I guess. I call them lizards. Yes, there is wind, strong wind, and severe storms. It's what you get used to . I think people here are more likely to enjoy the excitement. Which is, of course, one of the differences. I don't feel a need to be excited by the weather if you know what I mean.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Denver
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As far as proximity to big city amenities near the Front Range, an affordable place for most people might be about where/how far out you are situated in Kansas.

I know what you mean about the outdoors--we lived in central Illinois and it was culture shock being so far from outdoor open space. The closest walking parks were tiny in comparison to the west and there were not very many of them. An outdoor experience was a crowded noisy state park complete with TVs, etc. From that perspective either Oregon or Colorado would be better.

From what you want, there are some nice urban amenities in C Sprgs without driving to Denver. They have a real downtown. Not the major sports, but minor league baseball right there and a really great theater and music venue and shopping. I used to live in the Springs. It's not the purist conservative mecca some think but there is plenty of that if that's what you like. If not, you can avoid it. I agree that the downside of C. Springs is that the drivers there are the most aggressive drivers of anyplace I have driven or drive, in my entire life, including NYC. If you lived there you might be able to avoid 1-25.

Getting to the mountains (for skiing, hiking etc) is a bit farther from Spring but a lot less hassle bec you don't take I-70. It's almost as pretty as Boulder, but seems a bit farther away as Boulder sits at the base of some HUGE cliffs (Flatirons). From CSprings you can see Pike's Peak anywhere which is just as gorgeous. Fort Collins is closer to the mountains stuff but farther from the city amenities.

Honestly I think Portland, maybe north or toward Gresham, or one of the smaller cities in Oregon (they do have universities which bring a LOT of culture and sports) would suit you. I thought the rain would keep me in and it did not. I loved riding my bike in the rain.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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esya, you couldn't be more off topic if you tried. This is what the original poster asked, nothing more:
"Can someone tell me how Oregon scenery compares to Colorado?"
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Old 11-12-2009, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Bentonville, AR
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As far as proximity to big city amenities near the Front Range, an affordable place for most people might be about where/how far out you are situated in Kansas.

I know what you mean about the outdoors--we lived in central Illinois and it was culture shock being so far from outdoor open space. The closest walking parks were tiny in comparison to the west and there were not very many of them. An outdoor experience was a crowded noisy state park complete with TVs, etc. From that perspective either Oregon or Colorado would be better.

From what you want, there are some nice urban amenities in C Sprgs without driving to Denver. They have a real downtown. Not the major sports, but minor league baseball right there and a really great theater and music venue and shopping. I used to live in the Springs. It's not the purist conservative mecca some think but there is plenty of that if that's what you like. If not, you can avoid it. I agree that the downside of C. Springs is that the drivers there are the most aggressive drivers of anyplace I have driven or drive, in my entire life, including NYC. If you lived there you might be able to avoid 1-25.

Getting to the mountains (for skiing, hiking etc) is a bit farther from Spring but a lot less hassle bec you don't take I-70. It's almost as pretty as Boulder, but seems a bit farther away as Boulder sits at the base of some HUGE cliffs (Flatirons). From CSprings you can see Pike's Peak anywhere which is just as gorgeous. Fort Collins is closer to the mountains stuff but farther from the city amenities.

Honestly I think Portland, maybe north or toward Gresham, or one of the smaller cities in Oregon (they do have universities which bring a LOT of culture and sports) would suit you. I thought the rain would keep me in and it did not. I loved riding my bike in the rain.

Thanks for the info. Riding a bike in the rain is a new concept for someone raised in the midwest. Although in know the rain in the PNW is different, in this part of the country we pretty much stay indoors in the rain. But with the gorgeous scenery it might be a little more motivating. Thanks again.
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