Gentrification of Pine Hills or Sanford...your thoughts? (Jacksonville, Miami: crime, hotels)

[g0gat0rs]

I believe we should for the sake of our loved ones and the future of Orlando.

Your thoughts?

[Rocky Raccoon]

With all due respect me... Are you kidding me?

What interest is there in "cleaning up" Pine Hills?

The use of gentrification has to be be used very very wisely. And should be not use just for teh sake of using it.

For example, the Parramore area surrounds the Downtown area. Although gentrification of this area is somewhat controversial. It is very apparent that that city has a compelling interest in cleaning this area up. The cleaner Parramore is, the easier Orlando can attract different companies to the Downtown area. This is a good thing.

However, the Pine Hills area, although has crime issues, has many working families that just can't afford to move into another neighborhood. Also, what does the city gain by kicking out all these people and cleaning it up. Poor people need to live somewhere too.

By the way, Parramore is in worse state than Pine Hills. Way worse.

[Granny Sue]

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

With all due respect me... Are you kidding me?

What interest is there in "cleaning up" Pine Hills?

The use of gentrification has to be be used very very wisely. And should be not use just for teh sake of using it.

For example, the Parramore area surrounds the Downtown area. Although gentrification of this area is somewhat controversial. It is very apparent that that city has a compelling interest in cleaning this area up. The cleaner Parramore is, the easier Orlando can attract different companies to the Downtown area. This is a good thing.

However, the Pine Hills area, although has crime issues, has many working families that just can't afford to move into another neighborhood. Also, what does the city gain by kicking out all these people and cleaning it up. Poor people need to live somewhere too.

By the way, Parramore is in worse state than Pine Hills. Way worse.

I actually agree with this. Where I live in Rosemont is only a couple blocks out of Pine Hills. I love my neighborhood and the people in it. I have no fear what so ever to drive though Pine Hills as any time of day or night. I can't say the same for the Parramore area.
To quote a deputy that has worked and lived in this area for all of his life "Pine Hills is made of 95% good people and 5% bad and it's sad that the 5% get all the press."

Yes it is a lower income area but making a lower income isn't a crime.

[g0gat0rs]

I guess I should've said everything to the west of I-4 near Colonial. When I said Pine Hills I meant everything around the area.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Do you know how many residents of Pine Hills, that work legally at Disney, Universal, Hotels and restaurants?

A lot of these people come different countries (esp. Haiti) not speaking English and working their "butts" off.

And now gentrification is going to basically take away their homes, for the sake of our loved ones and the future of Orlando. "Loved ones" I don't know who these people are, they I am pretty sure they are okay where they presently are.

So when these residents of Pine Hills leave, where do you want them to go? Be honest in your response and say what you really feel.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by g0gat0rs

I guess I should've said everything to the west of I-4 near Colonial. When I said Pine Hills I meant everything around the area.

Wow... that COVERS more area than what I thought you initially meant.

Wow... are you serious?

What benefits does Orlando gain by doing this?

[g0gat0rs]

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

Do you know how many residents of Pine Hills, that work legally at Disney, Universal, Hotels and restaurants?

A lot of these people come different countries (esp. Haiti) not speaking English and working their "butts" off.

And now gentrification is going to basically take away their homes, for the sake of our loved ones and the future of Orlando. "Loved ones" I don't know who these people are, they I am pretty sure they are okay where they presently are.

So when these residents of Pine Hills leave, where do you want them to go? Be honest in your response and say what you really feel.

How many exactly? Do you have a figure or are you just assuming that the one person you know working legally at Disney, Universal, hotels, etc, is an ambassador of Pine Hills?

And those "JOBS" that people of different countries that can't speak English have legally or otherwise, why not give those jobs to AMERICANS? English speaking Americans.

If you want me to be honest, I'll say that I don't really care where these people go. If you want me to liberal and lovey-dovey, I wish them the best in Miami or Jacksonville.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by g0gat0rs

How many exactly? Do you have a figure or are you just assuming that the one person you know working legally at Disney, Universal, hotels, etc, is an ambassador of Pine Hills?

And those "JOBS" that people of different countries that can't speak English have legally or otherwise, why not give those jobs to AMERICANS? English speaking Americans.

If you want me to be honest, I'll say that I don't really care where these people go. If you want me to liberal and lovey-dovey, I wish them the best in Miami or Jacksonville.

Okay.... now we are getting somewhere.

1. You still have not answered the question, who are the beneficiaries you call "loved ones" and "future". Who are these people? And why should the city of Orlando do this for them.

2. These "immigrants" are not sitting in an office and attending board meetings. They are doing low level work such as house-keeping and janitorial services.

I would assume that an employer such as Disney, when selecting employees for these types of job, wants someone who WANTS to work and IS willing.

I would be hard pressed to imagine, that Disney actually cares, whether the employee can speak English or is American.

With that said, Disney is hiring APPLICANTS. Applicants are people that seek for work. So this notion that Disney is not hiring Americans, to do these low level jobs is actually Disney-like, because it sounds like a fairy-tale.

[g0gat0rs]

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

Wow... that COVERS more area than what I thought you initially meant.

Wow... are you serious?

What benefits does Orlando gain by doing this?

You know EXACTLY the areas west of I-4 that I'm talking about, you probably live there.

And what benefits does Orlando gain? Hmm let's see, crime goes down in one of the fastest growing cities in America. More legitimate housing, businesses, and less criminals.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by g0gat0rs

You know EXACTLY the areas west of I-4 that I'm talking about, you probably live there.

And what benefits does Orlando gain? Hmm let's see, crime goes down in one of the fastest growing cities in America. More legitimate housing, businesses, and less criminals.

I probably live there.

That's cute.

What does legitimate housing mean? Educate me please.

Let's say you believe that all the SCUM of Orlando reside in the areas West of I-4.

And let's say that the city decides to "clean it up" by purchasing the houses at fair value and allow Starbucks to put a store at every corner.

Now, you have a bunch of criminals looking for places to stay. Again, I am using your train of thought.

These "criminals" are only going to go to another part of Orlando.

So what do you do then? In fact, let's say 1/4 of them go East. Another 1/4 go North and another 1/4 go South.

Oh my gosh, these people are everywhere.

What are you going to do then?