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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:21 PM
 
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You still fail to point out how low paying service jobs and Disney are the "center" of commerce in this town, there are jobs and commerce all over this city, and like I said not only do MORE people work downtown than disney, they also earn more money
The point to the person who asked earlier in the thread, is that this isn't a place where a couple can plan to move and function comfortably with a one person income and a non-professional occupation.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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The point to the person who asked earlier in the thread, is that this isn't a place where a couple can plan to move and function comfortably with a one person income and a non-professional occupation.
They certainly could function comfortably on one income, but a lot of variables come into play here

So our OP (from my home state) is working on a criminal justice degree and has an auto mechanic certificate

Depending on his level of experience as an auto tech (as they're now called) will greatly affect his pay, his wife wants to stay home with their children...fine

If the OP were to accept a job offer, he would definitely make more than minimum wage on an auto tech cert and wouldnt be just changing oil at the local Valvoline or Jiffy Lube shop on South OBT, how much he will get paid, I cant say for sure, but not having a city and state tax will definitely help him with the bills down here

The OP and his family can always find a reasonably price apartment or home in Kissimmee/Osceola County until said degree is completed and than perhaps the OP may consider an opportunity with the Orange County Sheriff's Office or the OPD which will certainly pay more than a mechanic and a family can live REASONABLY on one income

Life in any town all depends on your means and the way you spend those means

I do think though, that if he comes down here, his wife should take up a part-time job just to be safe

You still havent told me how Disney is the center of Orlando's commerce
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Unread 06-06-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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If he gets a job at a local garage and truly loves what he does, and if he DOES end up liking life here more than where he's originally from, he would most likely stay here
Not quite. The guy that I mentioned from KY loved working on cars. However he found the heat and being in garage unbearable a good part of the year too much to handle here in FL.

His field isn't going to let him sit in A/C all day.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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If you think a median household income of 45K suggests a highly paid workforce you're completely out of the loop. Raleigh for example is at 61K, Atlanta is at 53K and Austin is at 49K and all three have costs of living equal or lower to Orlando's.
How is that, after adjusting for COL?
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Unread 06-06-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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You still havent told me how Disney is the center of Orlando's commerce
I would argue that disney planted a seed, and that's about it. I certainly wouldn't argue that it's the "center" of Orlando's commerce. Unless Darden and Lockheed Martin are Disney subsidiaries LOL
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Unread 06-06-2012, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Stone's throw from John's Creek
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I would argue that disney planted a seed, and that's about it. I certainly wouldn't argue that it's the "center" of Orlando's commerce. Unless Darden and Lockheed Martin are Disney subsidiaries LOL
Do you honestly think Orlando would be anywhere near the size it is today if Disney had not moved here in 1971 and expanded ever since ?

Do you really think that Orlando would have an NBA team if Disney had not moved here ?

Do you really think that Universal Studios would've moved here if Disney had not ?

Do you really think that OIA would be the airport it is today if Disney had not moved here ?

Do you honestly think Darden would be doing as well as it is today w/o the influence of Disney and the convergence of tourists ?

Do you honestly think the convention center would be as popular and utilized today if Disney had not moved here ?

Try and take away Disney from Orlando in your mind and picture the ramifications of such a departure, i.e. loss of jobs, tourist $$ into the economy, hotel/motel/condo closures, restaurant closures, etc, etc.
Orlando's economy would crumble ...

But you can still tell us that Disney is not the center of commerce in Orlando ... I really don't understand why the cheerleaders on this site do not accept the fact that Orlando is primarily a minimum-wage service-related economy driven primarily by the existence of Disney.
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Unread 06-06-2012, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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Do you honestly think Orlando would be anywhere near the size it is today if Disney had not moved here in 1971 and expanded ever since ?

Yes I do, in 1970 just one year before Walt Disney World opened, Orlando proper's population was 99,000 people, just 20 years before that in 1950, it was 52,000. So since the population nearly doubled in 20 years, Orlando was well on its way to becoming a big city whether the mouse moved here or not

Do you really think that Orlando would have an NBA team if Disney had not moved here ?

Perhaps but they probably would not be called the Orlando Magic

Do you really think that Universal Studios would've moved here if Disney had not ?

Probably not, you got me on this one

Do you really think that OIA would be the airport it is today if Disney had not moved here ?

Once again, probably not. It would probably be comparable to an international airport of a similar sized metro like San Antonio or Cleveland

Do you honestly think Darden would be doing as well as it is today w/o the influence of Disney and the convergence of tourists ?

Darden's restaurant chains are nationwide, they probably wouldnt be doing as well moneywise if Disney wasn't here but they'd still be around

Do you honestly think the convention center would be as popular and utilized today if Disney had not moved here ?

Maybe, maybe not. We dont know

Try and take away Disney from Orlando in your mind and picture the ramifications of such a departure, i.e. loss of jobs, tourist $$ into the economy, hotel/motel/condo closures, restaurant closures, etc, etc.
Orlando's economy would crumble ...

But you can still tell us that Disney is not the center of commerce in Orlando ... I really don't understand why the cheerleaders on this site do not accept the fact that Orlando is primarily a minimum-wage service-related economy driven primarily by the existence of Disney.
So let me ask you this leftee...

If Orlando is primarily a minimum-wage service driven economy would neighborhoods like Dr Phillips, Bay Hill, Heathrow, Baldwin Park, and Avalon Park exist?

If Orlando is a primarily minimum wage economy would we have an art museum, a science center, and a new PAC on the way?

If Orlando is primarily a minimum wage service economy, why are there so many Mercedes, Bimmers, and Audi's and various brand new cars on our roads, and speaking of cars...

If Orlando is primarily a minimum wage service economy, why do I see so many vehicles with booming sound systems blasting rap music at concert-like volumes, lambo doors and 26 inch rims

If Orlando is a minimum wage service economy, would Winter Park and Windermere be the wealthy prosperous towns they are today (hint, they were here WAY before Disney)

If Orlando is a minimum wage economy, would the Florida Mall, Altamonte Mall, the Loop, and Waterford Lakes Town Center be jammed packed with people every weekend? Would downtown bars, restaurants and clubs be packed?

If Orlando was primarily minimum wage NONE of what I listed above would be the case
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Unread 06-06-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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Do you honestly think Orlando would be anywhere near the size it is today if Disney had not moved here in 1971 and expanded ever since ?

Do you really think that Orlando would have an NBA team if Disney had not moved here ?

Do you really think that Universal Studios would've moved here if Disney had not ?

Do you really think that OIA would be the airport it is today if Disney had not moved here ?

Do you honestly think Darden would be doing as well as it is today w/o the influence of Disney and the convergence of tourists ?

Do you honestly think the convention center would be as popular and utilized today if Disney had not moved here ?

Try and take away Disney from Orlando in your mind and picture the ramifications of such a departure, i.e. loss of jobs, tourist $$ into the economy, hotel/motel/condo closures, restaurant closures, etc, etc.
Orlando's economy would crumble ...

But you can still tell us that Disney is not the center of commerce in Orlando ... I really don't understand why the cheerleaders on this site do not accept the fact that Orlando is primarily a minimum-wage service-related economy driven primarily by the existence of Disney.
You've essentially confirmed my prior statement. Disney was the seed, but Orlando has sprouted into much more than just that.
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Unread 06-07-2012, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Stone's throw from John's Creek
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So let me ask you this leftee...

If Orlando is primarily a minimum-wage service driven economy would neighborhoods like Dr Phillips, Bay Hill, Heathrow, Baldwin Park, and Avalon Park exist?

If Orlando is a primarily minimum wage economy would we have an art museum, a science center, and a new PAC on the way?

If Orlando is primarily a minimum wage service economy, why are there so many Mercedes, Bimmers, and Audi's and various brand new cars on our roads, and speaking of cars...

If Orlando is primarily a minimum wage service economy, why do I see so many vehicles with booming sound systems blasting rap music at concert-like volumes, lambo doors and 26 inch rims

If Orlando is a minimum wage service economy, would Winter Park and Windermere be the wealthy prosperous towns they are today (hint, they were here WAY before Disney)

If Orlando is a minimum wage economy, would the Florida Mall, Altamonte Mall, the Loop, and Waterford Lakes Town Center be jammed packed with people every weekend? Would downtown bars, restaurants and clubs be packed?

If Orlando was primarily minimum wage NONE of what I listed above would be the case
Primarily doesn't mean totally; I'm not sure if Arnold Palmer knew if Disney was moving here when he selected Orlando as the location for Bay Hill. But even with a minimum wage economy, someone has to supervise the minimum wage workers. I never said that there weren't some executive level folk in the area.

As far as population, going from 52,000 to 99,000 is nothing compared to the jump in the Orlando metro area population to 2+ million. A great number of those people are minimum wage types.

And as far as cars, anyone with decent credit can get a nice car. Some people live like paupers at home, just to maintain their "ride". And the same is true with the malls ... anyone can go to the malls, even the minimum wage workers. And anyone can out and have a beer at the clubs, even the lesser paid folk who might save up for it all week.

Your questions do nothing to dispel the fact that Orlando goes as Disney goes; if Disney packed up their tents and tourism dried up, where do think that would leave Orlando ?
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Unread 06-07-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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If you like more room, you might want to look at Grant/Valkaria area. Between Melbourne and Sebastian.
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