section 8??? in avalon park??? (Orlando, Kissimmee: real estate, income, jobs)

[Florida2Missouri]

I dunno about the "section 8" thing, but I can tell you that there are a section of apartments in the back of Avalon that are "income sensitive". I was looking around for places to rent and went in there and realized that even tho they look decent on the outside, there are a lot of hoodlums walkin around in the parking lot. Then I had someone tell me it was income restricted. You can't make more than $20,000 a year to live there or a combined income of like 27,000. I didn't move there needless to say. It's not the same atmosphere in the back near colonial AT ALL compared to the avalon side near Alafaya.

[backtofla]

so i assume u r talking about the same ones i was referring to (50 and avalon pk blvd). i dont know about hoodlums, but i have noticed it is probably atleast half spanish over there. well, so is my neighborhood. oh, well, orlando too for that matter.

[fordtrucksrock]

you know instead of someone answering this persons question all i read was mean things about people.

Yes there are some people that are on Section 8 that are lazy. But do you know that majority are disabled people, single mothers, and single fathers. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

To be on Section 8 they do a criminal background check on all members of the family that are over 18.

Many people only make a certain amount of money and have elderly parents to care for, children to feed, and they try their best so they dont end up homeless.

In Florida I am realizing how many people are heartless,mean, rude, racist and just plain ignorant.

Renting your house to a section 8 person means they are losers. These so called landlords why dont they investigate the individuals who apply to rent first. Then they might not end up with what you people on this board call a loser. What about all the folks that have money and have drug addict children, are drug addict themselves but since they have the money to come in and out of rehab its okay in society.

Every family has there own story there might be a poor family that is wonderful and a family that has money that has a million issues. OR it may just be the reversed.

No I am not on Section 8 and I do have a family. I just feel people should be more knowledgeable on a subject before they talk poorly about another race.

I am sick of hearing stero typical comments such as trailer park red necks, hoodlum hispanics, ghetto blacks.. Come on already grow up.

As for Avalon Park you people are so funny. If you bought huge houses in an area so far from downtown, commute on Colonial is horendous, and you didnt check with the county what there 5 year plan would be then you know what suck it up its your fault!!! No one elses.

They should take you people and stick you in New York for a bit so you can see the reality of making a living, buying a house, and making ends meet. You live in Florida where basically everything is cheap. BE HAPPY STOP COMPLAINING!!!!

[backtofla]

"They should take you people and stick you in New York for a bit so you can see the reality of making a living, buying a house, and making ends meet. You live in Florida where basically everything is cheap. BE HAPPY STOP COMPLAINING!!!!"


where do you think most of the ppl you are criticizing are from??? orlando is full of ppl from ny/nj/puerto-rico... probably 2/3 of our population are FROM THOSE 3 PLACES

i do agree with some of the things you said. it's hard to know everyone's situation.

[macgyver37]

so you value your home over giving someone that may or may not be a good person over giving them a nice place to live that they can say hey I live here and I don't have to worry about the crime of other low income housing areas. My Last church was helping the homeless in Houston which has 30,000 people living on the streets. Some of the people I met were, lawyers, EX NASA Engineer, these people could afford the homes your live in. Today they can't afford a meal everyday. Pray that one day you don't follow in there foot steps. I did and it taught me that even if I can afford the very best if I don't help the people around me that can't even afford to eat I shouldn't deny them a place to live either. I had everything and a flood took it all away, now after an accident I can't even go to work to start over.

[bob dabalina]

like i said before, if those are scetion 8, they look pretty nice, imo. but i dont like the idea of section 8 being so close. i know there are good ppl, but it also wont help my home value if i am close by... especially if crime increases. i wanna sell my house before that happens, and move to a part of fla that isnt so heavily hispanic, road rage and crime infested, and ppl arent su all abouit themselves. it didnt used to be like this here in fla.

if i cant find that place in fla, i might move to sc or nc... but i'd rather find my "old fla" i miss a lot.

[mojow]

Originally Posted by Stupid Flanders

Come on now, you can't expect people to drive 45 minutes in this traffic to rob a place can you? Where will the folks in Avalon Park get thier crime and sense of ghetto if they don't have convenient access to section 8 living conditions?

Plus, you gotta have a way for scumbags and illegals to put their kids in good schools!

LOL

Wow. And so if I feel strongly about "undesirables" moving in to my neighborhood and crime increasing, and having to learn spanish to be eligible for many employemnt options, and the impact of a different culture causing wages to stay the same and causing rent to skyrocket... then I'm "negative" and "racist"? If I target one specific group as causing these consequences, am I stereotyping?
Crime, ghetto, scumbags, illegals = section 8?

Originally Posted by loveithere

I am sorry you thought I was being snobbish...I don't remember saying that any one person was better then another in AVALON PARK...lets just say you OWN a home that you bought IN AVALON park...would you like ANYONE in the proximity of the area who do NOT pay the HOAS the YOU PAY TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY..stake claim to YOUR neighboorhood...I looked at the tollbros homes and while they were very nice....as the people who live in them are probably very nice..they DO NOT live in AVALON. I also don't want to claim the section 8 area of "AVALON" as my community...DOES that make me a snob...I have to live with the financial hit on the price of my home..when lower income housing clames avalon as THEIR COMMUNITY WHEN ITS NOT...Just as ALGAE said cross another off my list...how many others out there will do the same thing...making my home less desirable then it is now....so if that makes me a snob...then I am a snob

So the ones that post about the way things are changing down here are full of "negativity" but see how quickly one's ire climbs when THIER assets are affected? It's ok to be against the impact of section 8, because THAT affects someone's PROPERTY VALUES.

Originally Posted by Stupid Flanders

I thought section 8 housing could be offered by anyone. If a single landlord wants to rent his/her house to losers, they can do it by filling out a few forms. At least this is how it is in Ohio (I don't know what it's called up there) but my sister has about 10 rentals, two of which are in crappy areas, and she does the government thing.

She's trying to sell them now because she said all of her renters over the past 7 years have been animals, and the house is a disgusting mess. Something to look forward to as Central Florida continues to cater to the lazy and to those who traditionally make bad life choices.

Does anyone know how the section 8 thing works down here? It's not limited to apartments right?

Losers and animals? So she has homes in a low income area? Some of the marks of poverty ARE people who have given up, have lost respect for themselves, have lost hope, and have lost care. Section 8 people can search for dwellings in ANY neighborhood, as long as the rent amount falls within the guidelines and the landlord agrees to be a participant. So if those are the only homes available for someone with a section 8 voucher, I can imagine how it would feel to have to live around so much desolation. With no hope of having a better life, would I become a druggy, just like those around me, finding solace in companionship of those feeling the same pain?

Originally Posted by Stupid Flanders

You disagree? What would you call an adult who can't even put a roof over their head without leeching off the government in the most prosperous nation on earth? One where even 7-Eleven and McDonalds offer tuition reimbursement to help people educate and better themselves?

Sorry, but I reserve my caring side for widows, orphans, the handicapped and the elderly. Everyone else is a product of their own p*ss-poor decision-making.

Leaching? The most prosperous nation on earth? I challenge anyone to be a single parent of a young child and make their living at 7-ll. btw... child care is now around 70 a week for 1 child, AND if your use a reputable day care center, it could cost a little more and they don't do NIGHTS. Working at 7-ll or McDonalds, good luck trying to get only day work when the manager mostly needs people for second ****, 7-11 might need you for 3rd shift. Day shifts are already taken.

Originally Posted by Magnulus

Avalon Park and similar New Urbanist neighborhoods are not as highly income segregated, at least in theory. If you move into Avalon Park expecting all your neigbors will be upper-middle-class, well, that goes against the plan of the developement. The idea is it is NOT a gated community. If you want that, go to Stoneybrook or another place like that.

Honestly, the prejudice against Section 8 is pretty nauseating. Yes, some Section 8 renters are scumbags. But, my parents are landlords themselves and you'ld be surprised at what "respectable" renters will do to a property if they feel they can get away with it.

THANK YOU!

Originally Posted by fordtrucksrock

you know instead of someone answering this persons question all i read was mean things about people.

Yes there are some people that are on Section 8 that are lazy. But do you know that majority are disabled people, single mothers, and single fathers. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

To be on Section 8 they do a criminal background check on all members of the family that are over 18.

Many people only make a certain amount of money and have elderly parents to care for, children to feed, and they try their best so they dont end up homeless.

In Florida I am realizing how many people are heartless,mean, rude, racist and just plain ignorant.

Renting your house to a section 8 person means they are losers. These so called landlords why dont they investigate the individuals who apply to rent first. Then they might not end up with what you people on this board call a loser. What about all the folks that have money and have drug addict children, are drug addict themselves but since they have the money to come in and out of rehab its okay in society.

Every family has there own story there might be a poor family that is wonderful and a family that has money that has a million issues. OR it may just be the reversed.

No I am not on Section 8 and I do have a family. I just feel people should be more knowledgeable on a subject before they talk poorly about another race.

I am sick of hearing stero typical comments such as trailer park red necks, hoodlum hispanics, ghetto blacks.. Come on already grow up.

As for Avalon Park you people are so funny. If you bought huge houses in an area so far from downtown, commute on Colonial is horendous, and you didnt check with the county what there 5 year plan would be then you know what suck it up its your fault!!! No one elses.

They should take you people and stick you in New York for a bit so you can see the reality of making a living, buying a house, and making ends meet. You live in Florida where basically everything is cheap. BE HAPPY STOP COMPLAINING!!!!

Thank you too, (except for the part about Florida being cheap... I guess for the climate it is, but it's not really cheap enough for a single income household with a child to make it. IT's a lot easier to make it if you want to live in some of the UNDESIRABLE climates in the northern states).

Originally Posted by macgyver37

so you value your home over giving someone that may or may not be a good person over giving them a nice place to live that they can say hey I live here and I don't have to worry about the crime of other low income housing areas. My Last church was helping the homeless in Houston which has 30,000 people living on the streets. Some of the people I met were, lawyers, EX NASA Engineer, these people could afford the homes your live in. Today they can't afford a meal everyday. Pray that one day you don't follow in there foot steps. I did and it taught me that even if I can afford the very best if I don't help the people around me that can't even afford to eat I shouldn't deny them a place to live either. I had everything and a flood took it all away, now after an accident I can't even go to work to start over.

THIS I love because I've so often thought how different people would treat each other if each person would walk a mile in another man's shoes. If every one had an understanding of what life is for other people, this would be a totally different world. People wouldn't be so quick to judge and set standards of how someone else should be or feel. So many people feeling pain, hopelessness, dispair, depression, while every one else is feeling self righteous, judgemental, cold, lacking empathy, compassion, and understanding.

We are NOT all made the same, yet we are all forced to fit into one of the capitalistic molds. Most people can find a spot in the job market to "shape" themselves to fit. But they need to be able to make ends meet with that job. I was a GOOD cashier at Publix, but I wasn't paid enough to make the bills. The people that make up the Publix Corp live nicely, but don't care about how their lowly employees live. On the one hand, they will tell you how important it is to represent the company, and how you are part of a team, but then on the other hand, they will let you know that you are only one grain of sand on the beach, and easily replaced, and not worthy of higher pay. People like me, (lowly paid employees), are the ones that make it possible for the ones at the top of the company to buy boats, take extravagant vacations, buy 600,000 dollar homes.

[mojow]

I AM on section 8 and thank god for it because I don't know how I would have raised my son if we had been homeless, or had to find someone to live with, maybe using someone's couch. ONE INCOME will NOT PAY THE BILLS!

No, I am not a leach. Yes I did make some wrong turns. I was 28 and a drunk when I became pregnant. I was going to give him up for adoption, but when they brought him to me in the hospital bed I made a commitment to raise him the best I could. I had no where to go when I left the hospital and had to go stay at my sister's for a bit, until I went up north. I applied for section 8 and got it. I knew that with no career and no skill, I would not be able to afford much and so I got my tubes tied so that I would not become pregnant again. (His alcoholic father was still around at this point and he had not proven that he would be able to stay sober, so I did not want to have a second child with this man. - He disappeared when my son was 3, came back when he was 8 and again when he was 12, and now is nowhere to be found.) I have been sober ever since I found out I was pregnant.

I HATE that I could not give my son great Christmas's or keep him in sports (he has a great natural athletic ability), but I DID put myself into him, talk to him, have high hopes for him. Now he is in college, first semester and he is planning to attend the police academy next August. He does not do drugs, nor does he drink, and he is totally against smoking (yes I still smoke cigarettes). He saw how his father didn't take up his role as a father and he vows to never be like him.

So just because I have been on welfare and chose NOT to work 2 jobs for the benefit of being able to be there to raise my son... does NOT mean that welfare people raise their kids to be on welfare!

Most of the people I knew up north who were getting food stamps or had a section 8, were not lazy leachers, and did not like having to take a handout.
However down here, I was the cashier when a couple of young guys came through my line and one of them was saying "yeah it's easy, you can get one, you just go in and tell them...." He said this as he's handing me a FOOD STAMP CARD! Another woman came in and bought $40.00 worth of SHRIMP ON A PLATTER!

At the HuD office down here, most of the "clients" are spanish. Most of them dress decent, drive nice cars, etc. I have to think they probably have Uncle Jose, Brother Juan, and Aunt Marizta living in their household and not reporting it.

THAT burns me up because I've been doing things the legal way and don't have squat to show for it. These guys can ban together, save enough for a down payment on a home, and do just fine.

I don't have enough family members to live with and I wouldn't want to live that way anyway.

Back in the day, 2 factory worker paychecks in one household could purchase you a home, allow you to raise 3 kids, take a vacation to Mexico, pack up and move to Colorado, then move back to IL, allow you to eat meat and vegetibles every night, pay for new clothes for 3 kids every year for back to school, allow you to send the kids to the theater or swimming pool frequently....

The rich ARE getting richer, and the poor ARE getting poorer, and we're losing our middle class because every one is so segregated.

No, no one is their brother's keeper. But where's our modern day "hero". The one that sees how things are and rallies people together, getting people involved? Any one who's made any impact down through history, could have just said "well it's happening everywhere". At least if you're not going to be a hero, AT LEAST try to understand how it must feel to walk in someone else's shoes.

Granted, I may not have made the best decisions in my life, I may have made my bed and have to lie in it, and there may not be any redemption for my lack of ability to fit into this world in an economically profitable way, but I am NOT a scumbag!

Man made our wonderful capitalistic mow-everything-down-put-up-concrete-walls-and-get-rich-world.... And everyone living well in this ma- made world can look down on all the ones who fell through the cracks, but thank GOD that I may fit better into a heaven that will value my compassion for the "losers" of this world. Not every one can be a mathmetician, engineer, scientist, realitor, and not every one can be a musician, artist, or nurse because we are all different. You all that can find a slot to fit into should feel grateful, not judgemental!

[bob dabalina]

mojow, glad that you are doing well and hung in there through tough times. good luck and stick with it.

[mojow]

Originally Posted by bob dabalina

mojow, glad that you are doing well and hung in there through tough times. good luck and stick with it.

thank you

If my son turns out to be a well balanced fullfilled adult making enough money to have a life above and away from welfare, then I succeeded.

I'm just a little worried about him being a police officer (at one point he was going to be a math teacher) but at least he has the presence of mind to make a decision and a goal. (When I was 20, I was a complete drunk mess.)