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Old 08-29-2012, 03:44 PM
 
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Don't take this personally, but sounds like what you're experiencing is called LIFE. Welcome to it!

1) Orlando employers want you to work and be available for their schedule and won't accommodate yours? Craziness, in other parts of the country you tell your boss when it's convenient for you to work and they adjust for you!

2) Orlando employers want you have knowledge/skills/experience for the job you are applying for? That's obsurd, in other parts of the country every job provides on-the-job training, because companies have endless cash reserves to train every new hire to their standards!

3) In Orlando you're not offered every job you apply for? Ridiculous, in the Northeast you can sit at home and employers call you offering jobs.

I'm not trying to seem mean or unsimpathatic, but you sound clueless as to how the business sector works and someone saying "yup, sucks in Orlando move to (wherever)" isn't helping. Go to any citydata forum and someone has posted "the job market sucks here" and it's posted by someone without the education, knowledge, skills, or experience to land the job they want. To think you're going to go from $275 to $1000 a week without some serious self examination of where you are in life is crazy. Or to think its solely the Orlando job market holding you back is nuts.

Suggestions: treat looking for a job as your job. That requires time, dedication, patience, etc. stop searching Craigslist for a job (that was clue number 1 you need significant help) and post your resume on Monster and other employment services. Looking for jobs on Craigslist, a site where you can simultaneously search for used quitars, trannies, and flower pots, you might as well accept you're not destined to be CEO of anything. Register with simplyhired, indeed, and LinkedIn, for job notifications. You should have no less than 3-5 resumes. They won't be radically different, but sounds like you're using a "one fits all" but you're applying in greatly varying sectors. The hiring manager in hospitality is looking for different things than the hiring manger for "office". Each cover letter should be unique and specific for that job. Research the job and company you're applying for! There is no way you should go to an interview and not know what the job is for. And let's be honest, you can't be picky. If you get an offer accept it. If its working as a pooper scooper at a dog park - take it, you need to diversify and gain experience. You said something to the affect of your not good at sales, well news flash, no one is. Some people have a natural knack, but like with most things it's a learned skill. Get any sales job you can, give it a shot and see where you can go. I was talking to the guy that cuts my grass, he started with a push mower and a truck, now he manages several crews and is getting into commercial lawn care. Great things have been done with less.

I'm fairly certain you're a young(er) individual? Rumor has it there is this crazy place called the "Military" that will take you with no experience, give you a job, train you, pay you, give you benefits, and even pay for college and you don't even have to do it full time.
Have to agree with this post....a lot of good tips. In this job market, you have to be assertive, even if it's not your style. You have to MAKE it happen out here now, and not just in Orlando.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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I'm also invaluable to Publix as I have experience in 5 of 7 of their departments as follows, Customer Service, Deli, Meat, Produce, and Grocery. And yes the bennies pack that Publix offers is much better, and NO I don't want to work for McDonalds. I worked for them twice actually once in 2007 and again in 2009, at the same location, and quit both times
You're invaluable? And you make how much an hour exactly after being there for how long?
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:05 PM
 
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Don't take this personally, but sounds like what you're experiencing is called LIFE. Welcome to it!

1) Orlando employers want you to work and be available for their schedule and won't accommodate yours? Craziness, in other parts of the country you tell your boss when it's convenient for you to work and they adjust for you!

2) Orlando employers want you have knowledge/skills/experience for the job you are applying for? That's obsurd, in other parts of the country every job provides on-the-job training, because companies have endless cash reserves to train every new hire to their standards!

3) In Orlando you're not offered every job you apply for? Ridiculous, in the Northeast you can sit at home and employers call you offering jobs.

I'm not trying to seem mean or unsimpathatic, but you sound clueless as to how the business sector works and someone saying "yup, sucks in Orlando move to (wherever)" isn't helping. Go to any citydata forum and someone has posted "the job market sucks here" and it's posted by someone without the education, knowledge, skills, or experience to land the job they want. To think you're going to go from $275 to $1000 a week without some serious self examination of where you are in life is crazy. Or to think its solely the Orlando job market holding you back is nuts.

Suggestions: treat looking for a job as your job. That requires time, dedication, patience, etc. stop searching Craigslist for a job (that was clue number 1 you need significant help) and post your resume on Monster and other employment services. Looking for jobs on Craigslist, a site where you can simultaneously search for used quitars, trannies, and flower pots, you might as well accept you're not destined to be CEO of anything. Register with simplyhired, indeed, and LinkedIn, for job notifications. You should have no less than 3-5 resumes. They won't be radically different, but sounds like you're using a "one fits all" but you're applying in greatly varying sectors. The hiring manager in hospitality is looking for different things than the hiring manger for "office". Each cover letter should be unique and specific for that job. Research the job and company you're applying for! There is no way you should go to an interview and not know what the job is for. And let's be honest, you can't be picky. If you get an offer accept it. If its working as a pooper scooper at a dog park - take it, you need to diversify and gain experience. You said something to the affect of your not good at sales, well news flash, no one is. Some people have a natural knack, but like with most things it's a learned skill. Get any sales job you can, give it a shot and see where you can go. I was talking to the guy that cuts my grass, he started with a push mower and a truck, now he manages several crews and is getting into commercial lawn care. Great things have been done with less.

I'm fairly certain you're a young(er) individual? Rumor has it there is this crazy place called the "Military" that will take you with no experience, give you a job, train you, pay you, give you benefits, and even pay for college and you don't even have to do it full time.
Fantastic post. Sorry folks, but the UAW jobs of yesteryear where you could join the assembly line out of high school and make $30+ an hour and retire at 48 isn't coming back....
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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Fantastic post. Sorry folks, but the UAW jobs of yesteryear where you could join the assembly line out of high school and make $30+ an hour and retire at 48 isn't coming back....
Not to mention that the retirement benefits promised were based on an unsustainable Ponzi scheme and are slowly being chipped away. I hope companies learn a lesson from this--you can't pay people more than they are worth, and you can't offer lifetime benefits to a population that continues to live longer and longer.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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Fantastic post. Sorry folks, but the UAW jobs of yesteryear where you could join the assembly line out of high school and make $30+ an hour and retire at 48 isn't coming back....
Where was this job?
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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Where was this job?
In reality the average UAW represented auto worker was (and still is) making $28 an hour plus a benefit package valued at 35% of their wages (average for a major US company is around 22%).

The minimum UAW starting wage today is $16, and the current CBA also raises that number to $19 next year. On top of that are various bonuses and the benefits package, still worth about 28% of average wages.

$33K a year plus a full benefits package as a starting income with no degree or skills (other than physical dexterity) required is a good deal--particularly because these jobs are in low COL areas where you can buy a house in a nice neighborhood for $70K. It's more than many college grads are making after investing $20K or more into a degree.

The biggest hurdle that the automakers have is with the lifetime healthcare packages promised to retirees in the past. There have been numerous challenges and the courts are taking the position that while the automakers must continue to pay the pension benefit which was funded separately, they do not have to continue to pay the lifetime healthcare benefits which are paid from operating expenses if those costs are a contributing factor towards insolvency.

By the way, chop was incorrect with the "retire at 48" statement. The agreement was "30 and Out." Anyone who hit the age of 58 and had at least 30 years invested with the company could retire with full benefits.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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Where was this job?
In multiple UAW-staffed auto plants, when you considered their total compensation package. Although in reality, it was likely higher, according to annerk's post

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In reality the average UAW represented auto worker was (and still is) making $28 an hour plus a benefit package valued at 35% of their wages (average for a major US company is around 22%).

The minimum UAW starting wage today is $16, and the current CBA also raises that number to $19 next year. On top of that are various bonuses and the benefits package, still worth about 28% of average wages.

$33K a year plus a full benefits package as a starting income with no degree or skills (other than physical dexterity) required is a good deal--particularly because these jobs are in low COL areas where you can buy a house in a nice neighborhood for $70K. It's more than many college grads are making after investing $20K or more into a degree.

The biggest hurdle that the automakers have is with the lifetime healthcare packages promised to retirees in the past. There have been numerous challenges and the courts are taking the position that while the automakers must continue to pay the pension benefit which was funded separately, they do not have to continue to pay the lifetime healthcare benefits which are paid from operating expenses if those costs are a contributing factor towards insolvency.

By the way, chop was incorrect with the "retire at 48" statement. The agreement was "30 and Out." Anyone who hit the age of 58 and had at least 30 years invested with the company could retire with full benefits.
Tell that to the WSJ

Paul Ingrassia Says Taxpayers Shouldn't Have to Subsidize GM's Deal With the UAW - WSJ.com

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"I frankly don't see how we're going to meet the foreign competition," said Henry Ford II, then chairman and CEO of Ford Motor Co., on May 13, 1971, right after the annual shareholders' meeting. "We've only seen the beginning," he predicted. Regarding American's increasing preference for small cars, Henry II declared: "Mini car, mini profits."

That was a couple years before Detroit agreed to let auto workers retire with full pension and benefits after 30 years on the job, regardless of their age. In practice, that meant a worker could start at age 18, retire at 48, and spend more years collecting a pension and free health care than he or she actually spent working. It wasn't long before even union officials realized they had created a monster.
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In 1977, UAW Vice President Irving Bluestone said he was "flabbergasted" that so many workers were retiring at age 55 or younger. "We were aware that the trend to early retirement was escalating . . . but we were surprised at the escalation in 1976," Mr. Bluestone declared. "It is astounding."

None of this is ancient history. The 30-and-out retirement program persists -- a sacred part of the inflated cost structure that makes it unprofitable for Detroit to make small cars in America. Another example: Every Detroit factory still has dozens of union committeemen -- the bargaining committee, shop committee, health and safety committee, recreation committee, etc. -- who actually are paid by the car companies. This is a "legacy cost" that the nonunion Japanese, German and Korean car factories in America don't have to carry.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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In multiple UAW-staffed auto plants, when you considered their total compensation package. Although in reality, it was likely higher, according to annerk's post



Tell that to the WSJ

Paul Ingrassia Says Taxpayers Shouldn't Have to Subsidize GM's Deal With the UAW - WSJ.com
However it was changed with the next CBA in the early 80's to 58. The early retirees from the 70's are dwindling in numbers these days.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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However it was changed with the next CBA in the early 80's to 58. The early retirees from the 70's are dwindling in numbers these days.
amazing to think how much worse it could have been had they not made that change. In places like NY, state employees are still retiring at 55 with rich benefits after 30 years on the job.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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$16 ph starting is not $30 and 58 is not 48. Exaggeration is not fact. It's that simple.
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