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In some cases, yes. Not all countries are socialist.
I'll have to do some digging to find where I saw that data, but I really don't care for the "this country spends $X and we spend $XX" arguments as if spending less on something will improve it. We're definitely not sitting here wishing that we spent less money on Ebola research in order to improve it. That doesn't mean that we should have a massive increase in education spending though. I believe that if we start treating education as more of a cooperative endeavor between schools and families instead of placing 100% of the responsibility on the schools, then we'd be fine as a country educationally.
You can give me the best Hollywood personal trainer there is, but if I go home and eat trash everyday, my body isn't going to change. No one will blame the trainer. They'll blame me. If it were education, my failure would be the 100% the trainer's fault.
I'll have to do some digging to find where I saw that data, but I really don't care for the "this country spends $X and we spend $XX" arguments as if spending less on something will improve it. We're definitely not sitting here wishing that we spent less money on Ebola research in order to improve it. That doesn't mean that we should have a massive increase in education spending though. I believe that if we start treating education as more of a cooperative endeavor between schools and families instead of placing 100% of the responsibility on the schools, then we'd be fine as a country educationally.
You can give me the best Hollywood personal trainer there is, but if I go home and eat trash everyday, my body isn't going to change. No one will blame the trainer. They'll blame me. If it were education, my failure would be the 100% the trainer's fault.
Exactly. Unfortunately at least one poster on these boards feels that "everyone else" is responsible for taking care of them and their family, and can't understand why those of us paying taxes in this state are frustrated with that attitude. It is not my responsibility to financially fix someone else's obesity, recreation needs, or general maintenance because they are too lazy to do it themselves.
Quote "cooperative endeavor" that's what the USA used to be about- NO LONGER
All about the financial divide, the plan- to make the middle class a lower lass and eventually a non-participating class. If we are not careful, in the future the corporations might step up ploys like in Honk Kong. The democratic process in presently swayed through heavy lobbying.($1.64 Billion 2014) and laws have passed to make them "persons" Kansas failed and they trying to put on the brakes, but with the "me my self and I" thinking, it actually might become popular. If you don't help your fellow man, you eventually will step on him. Our history proves we declassify people and diminish their rights- the fact that we don't pay women same pay proves it. Poverty is not about just not having money!
quote-the NPCSC made it clear that a 1200-member nominating committee, which would remain nominated by the business factions would elect two to three electoral candidates with more than half of the votes before the general public can vote on them. https://time.com/3518209/hong-kong-p...la-revolution/They’re demanding the right for citizens to nominate their political leaders,
Rather a judgmental opinion, to lump an entire demographic into this category .I see many low income people as well but dont automatically assume they are the social parasites you are implying
How do you know they all do drugs?, cell phones can be had for $15 a month, cars are cheap, and flat screen tvs can be had new for a few hundred bucks.
I didn't say all and that would be inaccurate to do so. But my point is that welfare and food stamp cards are used to enable the drug activity. Yes it is extremely common and so is prostitution when the welfare checks arrive.
My main point is what is low income? When I grew up my father served in two wars and the military paid peanuts. He worked hard all his life to support his family. We didn't have color Tv, cell phone, car, free rent, food stamps, free heat, free electric, free internet, free health care, free eye glasses, free prescription drugs, free furniture, free dental care, etc.
Here's what I see, a young girl signs up for low income housing. She pulls into are parking lot, with a very nice car and designer clothes. She has three children and non of them look alike. But she has a baby daddy that has a good job and he moves in with her. He is not supposed to do that, but it happens every day. This is an abuse of the tax payers money and deprives low income housing to the true needy. I met individuals that bragged about being in low income housing for 30 years, I thought they wanted a gold watch. These programs were designed to help individuals out of poverty and not make it a life style.
What incentive is it to study and get good grades? Why work when you have these social programs that allow you to sleep all day and party all night. The child abuse I saw was terrible. The frig was empty, but blunts filled the ash trays. What will these children grow up to be? Third generation welfare family.
[quote=lynxville;36944033]I didn't say all and that would be inaccurate to do so. But my point is that welfare and food stamp cards are used to enable the drug activity. Yes it is extremely common and so is prostitution when the welfare checks arrive.
My main point is what is low income? When I grew up my father served in two wars and the military paid peanuts. He worked hard all his life to support his family. We didn't have color Tv, cell phone, car, free rent, food stamps, free heat, free electric, free internet, free health care, free eye glasses, free prescription drugs, free furniture, free dental care, etc.
Here's what I see, a young girl signs up for low income housing. She pulls into are parking lot, with a very nice car and designer clothes. She has three children and non of them look alike. But she has a baby daddy that has a good job and he moves in with her. He is not supposed to do that, but it happens every day. This is an abuse of the tax payers money and deprives low income housing to the true needy. I met individuals that bragged about being in low income housing for 30 years, I thought they wanted a gold watch. These programs were designed to help individuals out of poverty and not make it a life style.
What incentive is it to study and get good grades? Why work when you have these social programs that allow you to sleep all day and party all night. The child abuse I saw was terrible. The frig was empty, but blunts filled the ash trays. What will these children grow up to be? Third generation welfare family.[/quote]
What fuels the mindset? where did it come from? Ignorance is passed over when there is NO hope for better. You cannot bring up the past- because the climate was across the board for all, except for a selective few. We had no money for a time, but we had a mind to push forward until we did- where did that come from? from someone we knew personally that showed us we CAN! ( my most important legacy for my grands- If CAN- you certainty can)
-Look back to see why we started gangs- what fuels crime? and how common it was then to keep people behind a certain areas, thus creating the "hood"- Why should there be " poor performing schools? do not all these teachers have to be certified?,,, ohh no money for paper and tools- OK?
and what is our most reoccurring crime?
Drugs and theft and add violence to it. Who is the major player for drug consumption? and why do people need to steal?
We rather give jobs to Bangladesh than to our own. In many areas we have created the culture, and guess what, what I am harping about everyday in here, the more "me, myself and I mentality"- the more hoods, more crime and worse our country will be. ( see Kansas)
the saying was... give the fishing class instead of a free fish-well you have taken away the fishing poles! Graduating kids cant even read across the nation , not just the hood-- what in the next 20 yrs?
I didn't say all and that would be inaccurate to do so. But my point is that welfare and food stamp cards are used to enable the drug activity. Yes it is extremely common and so is prostitution when the welfare checks arrive.
My main point is what is low income? When I grew up my father served in two wars and the military paid peanuts. He worked hard all his life to support his family. We didn't have color Tv, cell phone, car, free rent, food stamps, free heat, free electric, free internet, free health care, free eye glasses, free prescription drugs, free furniture, free dental care, etc.
Here's what I see, a young girl signs up for low income housing. She pulls into are parking lot, with a very nice car and designer clothes. She has three children and non of them look alike. But she has a baby daddy that has a good job and he moves in with her. He is not supposed to do that, but it happens every day. This is an abuse of the tax payers money and deprives low income housing to the true needy. I met individuals that bragged about being in low income housing for 30 years, I thought they wanted a gold watch. These programs were designed to help individuals out of poverty and not make it a life style.
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What incentive is it to study and get good grades? Why work when you have these social programs that allow you to sleep all day and party all night. The child abuse I saw was terrible. The frig was empty, but blunts filled the ash trays. What will these children grow up to be? Third generation welfare family.[/quote
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Originally Posted by lynxville
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What fuels the mindset? where did it come from? Ignorance is passed over when there is NO hope for better. You cannot bring up the past- because the climate was across the board for all, except for a selective few. We had no money for a time, but we had a mind to push forward until we did- where did that come from? from someone we knew personally that showed us we CAN! ( my most important legacy for my grands- If CAN- you certainty can)
-Look back to see why we started gangs- what fuels crime? and how common it was then to keep people behind a certain areas, thus creating the "hood"- Why should there be " poor performing schools? do not all these teachers have to be certified?,,, ohh no money for paper and tools- OK?
and what is our most reoccurring crime?
Drugs and theft and add violence to it. Who is the major player for drug consumption? and why do people need to steal?
We rather give jobs to Bangladesh than to our own. In many areas we have created the culture, and guess what, what I am harping about everyday in here, the more "me, myself and I mentality"- the more hoods, more crime and worse our country will be. ( see Kansas)
the saying was... give the fishing class instead of a free fish-well you have taken away the fishing poles! Graduating kids cant even read across the nation , not just the hood-- what in the next 20 yrs?
Throwing more money at it won't fix the problem. If anything it will make it worse as it doesn't force people to be responsible for their actions. What will work? Sweeping reform.
Make it a lot harder to get benefits. A LOT. Require anyone receiving public entitlements to take parenting classes, classes on nutrition and cooking, receive counseling on birth control--give it to them for free--that is something I'm happy to see tax dollars spent on. I'm even happy to spend tax dollars on a method of birth control which doesn't require remembering to do anything--IED or Inplanon for example--and require any woman receiving entitlements benefits to have to use it until they are able to fully support themselves and their children. ANYTHING to stop the baby making madness.
I'd make it a requirement that students perform public service in order to graduate. I'd also make it a requirement that parents put in service hours at their kids schools. If they work or go to school themselves, they can be assigned tasks that they can do in the evening. Force them to become involved and haul them in front of a judge if they won't. Let a judge make case-by-case exceptions.
Make them either enroll in a GED program/trade school/ or college. Pay for the GED with tax dollars. They have to take student loans for the rest. Why? because when you are actually paying for something, you'll be inclined to do better at it.
I'd also cut off EIC. That's nothing short of welfare for working. Making more in a tax refund than what was paid in taxes is absurd. How much of that is actually used towards anything other than crap? It seems most families fund a vacation with it. Nice that they are taking a vacation on the dime of the rest of us.
There is so much waste when it comes to entitlements and education that until that is fixed, I don't want to see taxes go up.
Throwing more money at it won't fix the problem. If anything it will make it worse as it doesn't force people to be responsible for their actions. What will work? Sweeping reform.
Make it a lot harder to get benefits. A LOT. Require anyone receiving public entitlements to take parenting classes, classes on nutrition and cooking, receive counseling on birth control--give it to them for free--that is something I'm happy to see tax dollars spent on. I'm even happy to spend tax dollars on a method of birth control which doesn't require remembering to do anything--IED or Inplanon for example--and require any woman receiving entitlements benefits to have to use it until they are able to fully support themselves and their children. ANYTHING to stop the baby making madness.
I'd make it a requirement that students perform public service in order to graduate. I'd also make it a requirement that parents put in service hours at their kids schools. If they work or go to school themselves, they can be assigned tasks that they can do in the evening. Force them to become involved and haul them in front of a judge if they won't. Let a judge make case-by-case exceptions.
Make them either enroll in a GED program/trade school/ or college. Pay for the GED with tax dollars. They have to take student loans for the rest. Why? because when you are actually paying for something, you'll be inclined to do better at it.
I'd also cut off EIC. That's nothing short of welfare for working. Making more in a tax refund than what was paid in taxes is absurd. How much of that is actually used towards anything other than crap? It seems most families fund a vacation with it. Nice that they are taking a vacation on the dime of the rest of us.
There is so much waste when it comes to entitlements and education that until that is fixed, I don't want to see taxes go up.
free birth control! absolutely! no fuss B-control- absolutely! free parenting classes- absolutely! LOWER day care vouchers for those receiving aide, for work or school- service hours- single moms- sometimes working 2 jobs -as 40 hr. jobs are out of the question, hard to get to the school - and with smaller kids?? not feasible. make them enroll in GED etc... we have too much liberty,,, never pass it--- how free are trade schools? college you MUST have the right score, right money- not as easy
[b]free GED -agree!
EIC- come on -the corporations get bigger tax breaks or don't pay AT ALL--- let them PAY first -what they supposed to pay then see
free birth control! absolutely! no fuss B-control- absolutely! free parenting classes- absolutely! LOWER day care vouchers for those receiving aide, for work or school- service hours- single moms- sometimes working 2 jobs -as 40 hr. jobs are out of the question, hard to get to the school - and with smaller kids?? not feasible. make them enroll in GED etc... we have too much liberty,,, never pass it--- how free are trade schools? college you MUST have the right score, right money- not as easy
[b]free GED -agree!
EIC- come on -the corporations get bigger tax breaks or don't pay AT ALL--- let them PAY first -what they supposed to pay then see
You are wrong on so many things that it's absurd.
There is no score required for community college or trade school. A high school diploma or GED will get you in.
There is no reason to offer more in day care vouchers. They are already prorated based on income. The only difference in spare money at the end of the month between someone working and receiving entitlements and someone not working and receiving entitlements should be that the person working is working towards a career and eventually getting off welfare and the person receiving full welfare is going to school to eventually get to the same place. Neither should have more than two dimes to rub together at the end of the day as long as they are taking a cent from the taxpayer.
Total cost of two years of trade school or an AA at a Florida college is $7K or less, including books and supplies. Entirely fundable though student loans which can be repaid at $75 per month for 10 years. Anyone who isn't going to have an extra $75 on graduating and getting a job needs to choose a different career path. Additionally there are thousands of dollars in non-tax dollar grant money available.
Single moms can do service hours in the evening or on weekends at various events. There is no exception, and if someone thinks they should get one they can explain it to the judge and let them make the determination.
If you think corporations pay no tax in Florida, think again. I used to be a shareholder in a small corp in FL and we paid taxes--more than you make in a year and trust me, we weren't getting rich. Our key employees made more than any of the four owners. EIC comes out of the pockets of taxpayers to pay for vacations for people with jobs. Utter BS.
I'm also going to add that we need to start restricting food stamps. NO crap food. I repeat NO CRAP FOOD. Food stamps should run like WIC. There is an allotment of grains (cereals like oatmeal, corn flakes, etc., rice, quinoa, cous cous, etc.), proteins (chicken, beef, pork, bacon, sausage, fish, beans, lentils, etc.), fruits and vegetables (which could be fresh, canned, or frozen or 100% no sugar added juice), dairy (milk, cheese, eggs, yogurt), and a category called "staples" which would include salt, pepper, flours including corn meal, sugar, baking soda/powder, corn starch, spices and herbs, oils, etc. I'd also add unflavored ground coffee (no KCUPS!) and most teas herbal, black, orange pekoe, etc. but no Chai to basics.
No soda, sugary juice, candy, chips, energy drinks, or other crap. Want a cake for the kids birthday? Buy the ingredients using your staples allocation and bake one. Live as if it were WWII and you had food rations you needed to stretch and learn how to actually do so.
Recipients would be required to take budgeting and nutrition classes.
quote(more than you make in a year) wont even let me agree with some of the points with out throwing in the $ card - quote-Neither should have more than two dimes to rub together at the end of the day as long as they are taking a cent from the taxpayer.
this is how people get in deeper- illness, a car wreck, a sick parent, a layoff ---so No money for just in case,,, restricting food stamps. NO crap food-- I agree no crap food- as in less than 5% sugar or no trans fats or something vs. 50%--but to tell people how they can or not eat borders slavery? definitely not freedom - ahh maybe that is the plan--- no money no rights?
Recipients would be required to take budgeting and nutrition classes. agree-
problems is there is no one at the end of the food stamp approval- they laid the folks OFF who would monitor where the money went- all done on line now. people are just numbers, cant tell by the look in their eye if they really need this help or not. No interviews anymore. Volunteer service? No judges will touch this either - are they on probation?? Kinda sounds that way.
back to taxes State: A special report on Florida's corporate income tax Carnival Corp., Florida's 10th-largest public company with 4,220 South Florida employees and a $136-million state payroll, posted more than $1-billion in profits last year.
It also paid nothing in Florida corporate income tax. VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC. 2002 Sales: $67.63-billion. 2002 pre-tax income: $6.2-billion. Net income: $4.08-billion. Florida corporate tax payment: $0
SADDLEBROOK RESORTS INC. 2002 Sales: $38.5-million. 2002 pre-tax income: $124,000*. Net income: $123,716. Florida corporate tax payment:$0.
you can go to the website for the rest-
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quote(more than you make in a year) wont even let me agree with some of the points with out throwing in the $ card - quote-Neither should have more than two dimes to rub together at the end of the day as long as they are taking a cent from the taxpayer.
this is how people get in deeper- illness, a car wreck, a sick parent, a layoff ---so No money for just in case,,, restricting food stamps. NO crap food-- I agree no crap food- as in less than 5% sugar or no trans fats or something vs. 50%--but to tell people how they can or not eat borders slavery? definitely not freedom - ahh maybe that is the plan--- no money no rights?
Actually they would have a lot of choice, just no crap on the taxpayers dime. Food Stamps was begun to SUPPLEMENT the food budget of a lower income individual or family in order to provide NUTRITIOUS food. Not soda, not chips. If it's being paid for with tax money, yes, we have a right to say what can and can't be purchased with those funds. If we were actually telling them what to eat they wouldn't get SNAP, they'd get boxes of surplus food, no choice at all.
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Recipients would be required to take budgeting and nutrition classes. agree-
problems is there is no one at the end of the food stamp approval- they laid the folks OFF who would monitor where the money went- all done on line now. people are just numbers, cant tell by the look in their eye if they really need this help or not. No interviews anymore. Volunteer service? No judges will touch this either - are they on probation?? Kinda sounds that way.
If it was law, a judge wouldn't have a choice but to hear the case.
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back to taxes State: A special report on Florida's corporate income tax Carnival Corp., Florida's 10th-largest public company with 4,220 South Florida employees and a $136-million state payroll, posted more than $1-billion in profits last year.
It also paid nothing in Florida corporate income tax. VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC. 2002 Sales: $67.63-billion. 2002 pre-tax income: $6.2-billion. Net income: $4.08-billion. Florida corporate tax payment: $0
SADDLEBROOK RESORTS INC. 2002 Sales: $38.5-million. 2002 pre-tax income: $124,000*. Net income: $123,716. Florida corporate tax payment:$0.
you can go to the website for the rest-
That's two large corporations. 90% of the corporations in Florida are small businesses who pay a lot in income taxes.
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people are just numbers, cant tell by the look in their eye if they really need this help or not. No interviews anymore. Volunteer service? No judges will touch this either - are they on probation?? Kinda sounds that way. 
