might church street be making a comeback? (Orlando, Winter Springs: hotel, jobs)

[Alphaman]

'Father' Of Downtown Orlando Set To Reopen Cheyenne Saloon - News Story - WFTV Orlando


Wonder if this is the beginning of a comeback? I think church street station closing was one of the worst things to happen to downtown we had life downtown back then.

[arbasica]

The Cheyenne was such a neat place to go especially for big Church street events !! It will be nice for it to be back especially pretty much the way it was originally !!!!!

Tony B
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[EasyCheeze]

lou pearlman was the worst thing to happen to church street station

[kinglouix]

What a dumb idea, to try and bring something back that died out years ago. This town needs fresh ideas not an attempt to recapture the past.

[EasyCheeze]

Originally Posted by kinglouix

What a dumb idea, to try and bring something back that died out years ago. This town needs fresh ideas not an attempt to recapture the past.

like what, club paris???

it died years ago because of neglect

[smb5575]

the same person that claims the city has no history, gets upset at the fact of bringing something back and says we shouldn't recapture the past?? Um...are u contradicting urself? Kinglouix are u just angry and want to be negative? Or do u actually just get a kick out of pissing people off with ur pessimistic comments...lol

[kinglouix]

No, I don't I try to be a realist, and if anyone thinks that Cheyenne Saloon is going to restore Church Street their living in the past. I have several incredible ideas that would make downtown viable that are obvious but the people here are too stupid to consider.
1) Connect the light rail from downtown to the airport, that would make downtown accessible to out of towners and tourists which might actually make business people consider downtown as an option
2) Don't build the new venues in the Ghetto West of 4, this eliminates the possibility of downtown thriving as a result of the new venues. If the venues were in better areas, like slightly North of Town, then restaurants and bars that last might actually thrive and downtown would benefit from the thousands of people going to these venues, actually eating and spending time at these venues other than (dodging the homeless) to get to there cars.
3) Spend the millions of dollars a year wasted on the Lynx system to beautify downtown. The idea was if people could get around for free restaurants would open and flourish. That won't happen but if they did 1 and 2 on my list it would. We are in an energy crisis, how can a city justify spending millions of dollars a year on gas to transport the homeless from nowhere to nowhere, especially when you can walk in 15 minutes anywhere on the Lynx route. The free Lynx also creates traffic by eliminating viable roads and parking downtown, thus discouraging people from driving into town and adding to pollution.
4) Eliminate the tolls by raising the tourist tax. Do we really think Harold Rosen is going to go broke by having to charge $5 a night more for a hotel room. Obviously not, if Disney can flourish by charging $74 a ticket. This would reduce traffic, and encourage more people to drive into downtown. Not to mention the citizens of Orlando are getting screwed. Notice how Disney has a direct toll free highway from the airport to Disney. Defending the defenseless is not progress, maybe if we had a hell of a lot of people complaining about what obviously needs to be fixed, instead of trying to pretend this cesspool is paradise, it could possibly be a viable place to live.

Sometimes admitting one is wrong is the only way to move forward. Every progressive successful city in the country, learned the hard lesson that venues in the ghetto does not restore those areas. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

Maybe if someone was negative about the dumb mistakes they keep making here, this would be a better place.

[Alphaman]

As negative as king is some of his ideas seem good IMO and I have often thought of the same things making the city better. But like he hinted to something is wrong with the government in this city, it doesn't seem like they care.

Orlando could be a great city but something is halting the progress to that day.

[bdpop]

I also agree with King's ideas. If they were done right, this could be a great city. We also need to do things to attract large corporations and to make it attractive for them to move their corporate headquarters here, thus bringing with them better quality, good paying jobs.

[ucfjtm]

I agree with everything King said except eliminating tolls. Tolls serve two purposes: to add to the city's coffers, and to keep the traffic on these toll roads tolerable. How busy would 408 be if it were free? It'd be MUCH worse than I-4. People living on the east side of town already spend at least 45 minutes driving the 10 mile stretch to and from work downtown, and removing tolls would bring that road to a standstill. For Orlando to remove tolls, they need to double the number of lanes on quite a few roads, notably 408 from 50 in the east to Hiawasee in the west, the I-4 area from Lake Mary to Davenport, 528 from I-4 to the airport, and 417 from 528 to Winter Springs. The last thing I'd want is for 408 to be like Colonial/50 at all times of the day, and that's another road that needs twice as many lanes from Ocoee all the way to the 50/520 intersection.