Orlando good and bad Zip codes !!!!!!!! (Pine Hills, Winter Park: crime rate, gated, living)

[Consigliere]

The last sentance should read: "If the zip code you are interested in..."

[sergiodurante]

Originally Posted by Consigliere

The following zip code crime data was recently published in an article in the Orlando Business Journal (OBJ) based on research done by Ersi. They ranked all 91 zip codes in the Orlando Metro area (Orange, Seminole, Lake, and Osceola counties) based on a total crime index. The lower the crime index the safer the area, and vice versa. An index of 100 is supposed to be average.

According to the article, the following 25 zip codes are the safest in the Orlando metro area.

Rank / Zip Code / Area / County / Total Crime Index
1 32837 Hunters Creek Orange 17
2 32821 Williamsburg Orange 22
3 32832 Moss Park Orange 23
4 32817 Union Park Orange 24
5 32828 Avalon Park/Eastwood/Stoneybrook/Waterford Lakes Orange 25
6 32825 Union Park Orange 27
7 32824 Orlando/Meadow Woods Orange 28
8 32730 Casselberry/Fern Park Seminole 29
9 32818 Pine Hills/Hiawassee Orange 31
9 32779 Longwood Seminole 31
11 32776 Sorrento Lake 33
12 32778 Tavares Lake 39
12 32709 Christmas Orange 39
14 34715 Clermont Lake 40
15 32833 Wedgefield/Bithlo Orange 41
15 32820 Bithlo Orange 41
17 32826 South UCF Orange 43
18 32809 Orlando/Pine Castle/Edgewood/Belle Isle Orange 44
18 32708 Winter Springs Seminole 44
18 32159 Lady Lake Lake 44
21 32792 Winter Park (E. of Lakemont Ave.) Orange/Seminole 45
21 32736 Eustis Lake 45
23 32829 Orlando/Lee Vista Orange 46
23 32810 Orlando/Lockhart Orange 46
25 32726 Eustis Lake 47


They also reported that the following 25 zip codes were the least safe.

Rank / Zip Code / Area / County / Total Crime Index
67 34714 Clermont Lake 125
68 34741 Kissimmee Osceola 127
68 34746 Kissimmee Osceola 127
70 34758 Kissimmee Osceola 129
71 34739 Kenansville Osceola 131
72 32798 Zellwood Orange 143
73 32827 Lake Nona/MCO Orange 154
74 32830 Lake Buena Vista/WDW Orange 158
75 34761 Ocoee Orange 165
76 34773 Saint Cloud Osceola 171
77 32751 Maitland Orange 183
78 32771 Sanford Seminole 198
79 32807 Azalea Park Orange 200
80 34787 Winter Garden Orange/Lake 213
81 32703 Apopka Orange/Seminole 235
82 34747 Kissimmee Osceola 243
83 32712 Apopka Orange 258
84 32822 Orlando (S. Semoran) Orange 262
85 32789 Winter Park (W. of Lakemont Ave.) Orange 299
86 34760 Oakland Orange 311
87 32806 Delaney Park Orange 445
88 32805 Holden Heights/Parramore Orange 504
89 32804 College Park Orange 550
90 32801 Orlando CBD Orange 1083
91 32803 Orlando East Downton Orange 1106

If the zip code you are not interested in is not listed above that would mean that it falls in the middle of the pack as far as crime risk and safety goes, at least according to Ersi's analysis as reported by the OBJ.

Not sure how accurate this is, what I can tell you is that as a former resident of Avalon Park, we were victimized fairly often. Nothing violent, but enough to make us re-evaluate our long term plans living there. We have lived in Seminole for over 2 years and so far no stolen bikes, break ins or broken car windows.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by Consigliere

The following zip code crime data was recently published in an article in the Orlando Business Journal (OBJ) based on research done by Ersi. They ranked all 91 zip codes in the Orlando Metro area (Orange, Seminole, Lake, and Osceola counties) based on a total crime index. The lower the crime index the safer the area, and vice versa. An index of 100 is supposed to be average.

According to the article, the following 25 zip codes are the safest in the Orlando metro area.

Rank / Zip Code / Area / County / Total Crime Index
1 32837 Hunters Creek Orange 17
2 32821 Williamsburg Orange 22
3 32832 Moss Park Orange 23
4 32817 Union Park Orange 24
5 32828 Avalon Park/Eastwood/Stoneybrook/Waterford Lakes Orange 25
6 32825 Union Park Orange 27
7 32824 Orlando/Meadow Woods Orange 28
8 32730 Casselberry/Fern Park Seminole 29
9 32818 Pine Hills/Hiawassee Orange 31
9 32779 Longwood Seminole 31
11 32776 Sorrento Lake 33
12 32778 Tavares Lake 39
12 32709 Christmas Orange 39
14 34715 Clermont Lake 40
15 32833 Wedgefield/Bithlo Orange 41
15 32820 Bithlo Orange 41
17 32826 South UCF Orange 43
18 32809 Orlando/Pine Castle/Edgewood/Belle Isle Orange 44
18 32708 Winter Springs Seminole 44
18 32159 Lady Lake Lake 44
21 32792 Winter Park (E. of Lakemont Ave.) Orange/Seminole 45
21 32736 Eustis Lake 45
23 32829 Orlando/Lee Vista Orange 46
23 32810 Orlando/Lockhart Orange 46
25 32726 Eustis Lake 47


They also reported that the following 25 zip codes were the least safe.

Rank / Zip Code / Area / County / Total Crime Index
67 34714 Clermont Lake 125
68 34741 Kissimmee Osceola 127
68 34746 Kissimmee Osceola 127
70 34758 Kissimmee Osceola 129
71 34739 Kenansville Osceola 131
72 32798 Zellwood Orange 143
73 32827 Lake Nona/MCO Orange 154
74 32830 Lake Buena Vista/WDW Orange 158
75 34761 Ocoee Orange 165
76 34773 Saint Cloud Osceola 171
77 32751 Maitland Orange 183
78 32771 Sanford Seminole 198
79 32807 Azalea Park Orange 200
80 34787 Winter Garden Orange/Lake 213
81 32703 Apopka Orange/Seminole 235
82 34747 Kissimmee Osceola 243
83 32712 Apopka Orange 258
84 32822 Orlando (S. Semoran) Orange 262
85 32789 Winter Park (W. of Lakemont Ave.) Orange 299
86 34760 Oakland Orange 311
87 32806 Delaney Park Orange 445
88 32805 Holden Heights/Parramore Orange 504
89 32804 College Park Orange 550
90 32801 Orlando CBD Orange 1083
91 32803 Orlando East Downton Orange 1106

If the zip code you are not interested in is not listed above that would mean that it falls in the middle of the pack as far as crime risk and safety goes, at least according to Ersi's analysis as reported by the OBJ.

Bithlo, Hunters Creek and Pine Hills in the top 25 zips? I am going to express my doubt about that list....

[LordHomunculus]

Horrible list that doesn't even show how it came to these figures. Seriously, how is 32809 and 32818 safer than Winter Springs?

[Consigliere]

Originally Posted by sergiodurante

Not sure how accurate this is, what I can tell you is that as a former resident of Avalon Park, we were victimized fairly often. Nothing violent, but enough to make us re-evaluate our long term plans living there. We have lived in Seminole for over 2 years and so far no stolen bikes, break ins or broken car windows.

I did not do the research reported in the article so I can't defend it's accuracy. I just got tired of reading all the threads on this site about the safest area to live in that weren't backed up by any references to published data, but instead seemed only to be based on personal opinion/bias. If anyone has other published data, please feel free to share it.

However, I think it's fairly obvious that the security guard manned, gated community you are now living in Seminole County at a pop of $2,100 a year in part for that security would have less crime than any non-security guard gated neighborhood in Avalon Park, or most any other unguarded neighborhood in the Orlando metro area for that matter.

If you care to provide your zip code we could try and research other crime databases for yuks to see how it compares with Avalon Park. It may be that your insulated little gated neighborhod is not reflective of the crime or overall safety of your zip code/community.

[Consigliere]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

Bithlo, Hunters Creek and Pine Hills in the top 25 zips? I am going to express my doubt about that list....

If you have some published statistics that can contradict the info contained in the article please feel free to share it.

[Consigliere]

Originally Posted by LordHomunculus

Horrible list that doesn't even show how it came to these figures. Seriously, how is 32809 and 32818 safer than Winter Springs?

I don't know how they found 32809 and 32818 to be safer. I believe they consider their methodology to be proprietary. However, I did quickly check anotherModerator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowedwebsite for yuks and it also showed that 32809 and 32818 were safer than 32708/Winter Springs:

32818 total crime risk index = 35
32809 total crime risk index = 40
32708 total crime risk index = 41

[LordHomunculus]

Originally Posted by Consigliere

I don't know how they found 32809 and 32818 to be safer. I believe they consider their methodology to be proprietary. However, I did quickly check another Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowedwebsite for yuks and it also showed that 32809 and 32818 were safer than 32708/Winter Springs:

32818 total crime risk index = 35
32809 total crime risk index = 40
32708 total crime risk index = 41

That same website gave me this:

32808 (which is actually the CORE of Pine Hills): 65
32789 (Which is the affluent core of Winter Park): 293!?

[Consigliere]

Originally Posted by LordHomunculus

That same website gave me this:

32808 (which is actually the CORE of Pine Hills): 65
32789 (Which is the affluent core of Winter Park): 293!?

Your data is entirely consistent with the data in the Orlando Business Journal article that I posted. Zip 32808 was not in the OBJ list or in my post, which means it falls in the middle of the pack consistent with a crime index of 65. Zip 32789 had a total crime index of 299 in the OBJ article which is in line with the 293 listed above. While I agree that zip 32789 includes the affluent core of Winter Park, it also includes all the other less desirable areas of Winter Park as well.

[LordHomunculus]

Originally Posted by Consigliere

Your data is entirely consistent with the data in the Orlando Business Journal article that I posted. Zip 32808 was not in the OBJ list or my post, which means it falls in the middle of the pack consistent with a crime index of 65. Zip 32789 had a total crime index of 299 in the OBJ article which is in line with the 293 listed above. While I agree that zip 32789 includes the affluent core of Winter Park, it also includes all the other less desirable areas of Winter Park as well.

So basically, that real estate website is using the information from Esri, which is also the same source used by OBJ. Perhaps they're using data from different years. But like you said, it's proprietary and I think that leaves us at a dead end. I'm also aware that there are some sketchier parts around 32789 (around Eatonville). But I still don't think that's enough to come such incredible stat, especially when Eatonville is not even part of that zip code. I'm not even sure if they're using per capita, property crimes, etc. etc.

Actually, playing around with that website even more, it also says that Clermont has a crime index of 70 while Pine Hills has a crime index of 46. Let's see what all the Clermont lovers have to say about that...