Lake Mary Public Versus Private Schooling (Longwood, Seminole: private schools, college, live in)

[nativefla]

Originally Posted by annerk

All I'm giving you is statistics. You implied that there was something wrong with northern education, I gave facts. I've already said that I'm glad your child has done well.

I moved here because I liked the weather. I saved my money for 15 years while I looked around various parts of the south, got my child educated up north, sold my house and moved.

What facts or statistics did you give? All I saw was a broad statement that SAT scores prove northern schools are better and that more kids from northern schools get accepted at Ivy League schools (well, duh. Ivy League schools are all in the north). What SAT scores did you give? What stats?

I didn't imply there was anything wrong with a northern education. I just don't seek that for my kids. I live in Florida for crying out loud.

[Parrotrosie]

LOL...now here is where I throw the wrench into the works....

Personally, my sacrifice is to stay home with my child, not go to work full time in order to send them to a private school. (my choice, not everyone's choice, and I don't pass judgement on anyone's choice) I find that more important than what any school can provide my child.

Now, can anyone here, tell me when they went on their job interview, who got their job based SOLELY on what college/university they went to? and not on what degree they had and whether or not they graduated with a degree?

In the real world, there are very FEW jobs that want you for the particular university you went to. Lawyers, Surgeons...thats probably about it....oh, maybe politician.


And, the hacking of grammar, poor sentence structure , and lousy spelling is NOT limited to Florida. It is alive and well in the schools up here, I can tell you!!! It begins with the stupid phoenetic writing they began using in kindergarten to get kids to start writing, 'regardless of spelling' at least they are writing something (so they told us ...back then) now the kids are horrible spellers.

In the 'best' school district up here, they dont' even teach grammar. When questioned by a parent, that parent was told, 'they have grammar check in the computers they use' so it is not really stressed in school. WHAT??!!

So, don't think that Florida is alone...lol.

Personally, I don't think the schools are going to be THAT bad when I get there.

Nativefla, for what it's worth, I am with you, I never want my kid in an uber liberal northern school! LOL! I also was not trying to put down Trinity Prep either, just drawing a comparison with the year behind issue, if there is one to be made. Personally, if I could afford it w/o working, I would definitely send my kid there...lol

[annerk]

Originally Posted by nativefla

What facts or statistics did you give? All I saw was a broad statement that SAT scores prove northern schools are better and that more kids from northern schools get accepted at Ivy League schools (well, duh. Ivy League schools are all in the north). What SAT scores did you give? What stats?

I didn't imply there was anything wrong with a northern education. I just don't seek that for my kids. I live in Florida for crying out loud.

Just because Ivy league schools are in the north, it doesn't mean that kids from the north get an autmatic leg up.

If you look at the top rated private prep schools in NJ (or CT or MA) and compare their SAT schores for 2008 with Trinties scores, the scores at Trinity are lower. I know, I know, your kid is a genius. But I have to believe that his scores are due to him being a very intelligent young adult as opposed to getting a better education, because his scores are "off the chart" when comapred to the others at Trinity. (And I think it's great that he's done so well!)

The way you made that statement it very much read like a condemnation of northern education as if education is better in the south. I think we know that overall that is simply not the case.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Parrotrosie

LOL...now here is where I throw the wrench into the works....

Personally, my sacrifice is to stay home with my child, not go to work full time in order to send them to a private school. (my choice, not everyone's choice, and I don't pass judgement on anyone's choice) I find that more important than what any school can provide my child.

Now, can anyone here, tell me when they went on their job interview, who got their job based SOLELY on what college/university they went to? and not on what degree they had and whether or not they graduated with a degree?

In the real world, there are very FEW jobs that want you for the particular university you went to. Lawyers, Surgeons...thats probably about it....oh, maybe politician.


And, the hacking of grammar, poor sentence structure , and lousy spelling is NOT limited to Florida. It is alive and well in the schools up here, I can tell you!!! It begins with the stupid phoenetic writing they began using in kindergarten to get kids to start writing, 'regardless of spelling' at least they are writing something (so they told us ...back then) now the kids are horrible spellers.

In the 'best' school district up here, they dont' even teach grammar. When questioned by a parent, that parent was told, 'they have grammar check in the computers they use' so it is not really stressed in school. WHAT??!!

So, don't think that Florida is alone...lol.

Personally, I don't think the schools are going to be THAT bad when I get there.

Nativefla, for what it's worth, I am with you, I never want my kid in an uber liberal northern school! LOL! I also was not trying to put down Trinity Prep either, just drawing a comparison with the year behind issue, if there is one to be made. Personally, if I could afford it w/o working, I would definitely send my kid there...lol

My son went to school in a good but not the best district in central NJ. He definitely got spelling, grammar, and no phonetic writing. They weren't allowed to do assignments on the computer until they were into high school--and face it, by that time you know it or you don't.

As far as getting a good job by what school you went to, add stockbrokers, architects, engineers, and grad school.

[Parrotrosie]

Originally Posted by annerk

My son went to school in a good but not the best district in central NJ. He definitely got spelling, grammar, and no phonetic writing. They weren't allowed to do assignments on the computer until they were into high school--and face it, by that time you know it or you don't.

As far as getting a good job by what school you went to, add stockbrokers, architects, engineers, and grad school.

I don't think most of those careers would hold true. My husband is and engineer and went to grad school and I bet you never heard of the undergrad college he went to (Widener U.). My or may not have heard of the grad school (Villanova). He went to work at Boeing, which could have cared less what school he went to, only the degree he held (I know this because his colleagues went to all manner of colleges. Some undergrads and some graduate schools.

It DOES hold true that if you are going for engineering, that of course , you want to go to an engineering school - and by that, I mean a school that offers an engineering degree. You can go to a state college, get an accounting degree and become a CPA. I doubt, in ten years time, anyone would argue that the Ivy League educated CPA was necessarily a better
CPA than the other....who would know? Who would care? So long as their books were in proper order... They both had to pass the same exams.........

[beckycat]

Let me tell you something about the schools in Philly and in FL. There is no comparison! I have neices and nephews that go to school in Philly. The public schools there are horrible. If your kid doesn't go to Catholic or private school, they are in trouble! My kids have gone to school here and there is nothing wrong with the schools, education wise. I have one child that has graduated from the schools here and a second one in 9th grade at Lake Mary High. The inner-city schools maybe struggling, but I haven't had a problem in Seminole County. The only thing I DO NOT like are the FCAT tests. I think it's totally rediculous that your child needs to pass these tests to pass!

[Parrotrosie]

I agree, Philly schools are terrible...the worst in the state. Yet, somehow, the state allows these 'children' to graduate.

In PA, we have what is called the PSSA (our state equivalent of the FCAT). It's not a Florida thing, its a Federal thing. It's the Great Equalizer. Or, as I like to call it, the great Lowest Common Denominator. Rather than let schools compete, and excel, they are forced to bring down all to the lowest common denominator - a minimum standard, as it were.

I don't like it either.

Like I stated in my other thread, it would appear that the 6th grade there, is what my kid just completed in 5th grade here, I am still looking forward to some academic growth (math especially) and I think her school looked really nice, and I am hoping for a positive experience overall. I have no idea what future grades hold, they may catch up, at some time, I have no idea. The curriculum may just take a different path. Whatever the case, I am my child's best teacher!

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Parrotrosie

I don't think most of those careers would hold true. My husband is and engineer and went to grad school and I bet you never heard of the undergrad college he went to (Widener U.). My or may not have heard of the grad school (Villanova). He went to work at Boeing, which could have cared less what school he went to, only the degree he held (I know this because his colleagues went to all manner of colleges. Some undergrads and some graduate schools.

It DOES hold true that if you are going for engineering, that of course , you want to go to an engineering school - and by that, I mean a school that offers an engineering degree. You can go to a state college, get an accounting degree and become a CPA. I doubt, in ten years time, anyone would argue that the Ivy League educated CPA was necessarily a better
CPA than the other....who would know? Who would care? So long as their books were in proper order... They both had to pass the same exams.........

I'm quite familiar with Villanova. Not really known for their grad schools--although neither is the school where my husband went to grad school.

My point is that I know people who went to Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, etc. They were heavily recruited with multiple offers when they graduated. They got into the grad school of their choice. We keep hearing about college grads who can't find jobs in their fields--that's not going to be the case with anyone attending an Ivy. They also started at much higher salaries and progressed faster in thier careers. In this day and age that's nothing to sneeze at.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by beckycat

Let me tell you something about the schools in Philly and in FL. There is no comparison! I have neices and nephews that go to school in Philly. The public schools there are horrible. If your kid doesn't go to Catholic or private school, they are in trouble! My kids have gone to school here and there is nothing wrong with the schools, education wise. I have one child that has graduated from the schools here and a second one in 9th grade at Lake Mary High. The inner-city schools maybe struggling, but I haven't had a problem in Seminole County. The only thing I DO NOT like are the FCAT tests. I think it's totally rediculous that your child needs to pass these tests to pass!

I agree that teaching to the test is incredibly stupid, and inner city schools everywhere are in bad shape.

[nativefla]

Originally Posted by annerk

Just because Ivy league schools are in the north, it doesn't mean that kids from the north get an autmatic leg up.

If you look at the top rated private prep schools in NJ (or CT or MA) and compare their SAT schores for 2008 with Trinties scores, the scores at Trinity are lower. I know, I know, your kid is a genius. But I have to believe that his scores are due to him being a very intelligent young adult as opposed to getting a better education, because his scores are "off the chart" when comapred to the others at Trinity. (And I think it's great that he's done so well!)

The way you made that statement it very much read like a condemnation of northern education as if education is better in the south. I think we know that overall that is simply not the case.

My point is not that northern kids have a leg up for admission to the Ivys. It is that kids in the north are more likely to apply to Ivy League schools, because that's where the schools are located. Most kids in the south simply don't want to attend schools in the northeastern part of the country, for various reasons. Extreme liberalism, weather, people that talk funny, etc.