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Old 11-08-2009, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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I wonder if the building's security officers are going to look at how this could have been prevented. He obviously just walked right in. No medical detectors or little security checks? He has had brushes with the law, although not in FL. "A former resident of both Puerto Rico and New York, Rodriguez has lived in Florida since 1999. He has no criminal history in Florida, but he has had brushes with violence and the law." http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-jason-rodriguez-bio-orlando-shooting,0,2152879.story
I don' t think they have anything to look at .... I don't want to go to work every day going through metal detector or any sort of check of my person. Where does that begin or end? You want to be frisked for your dental checkups? That is where I work... Come on now...the only person responsible for this horrible act, is the shooter alone.

Not his former employer, not security, not the 'system'. Him...the shooter, alone. he made his choice, now he has to live with it, and himself. Unfortunately, so do these victims and their families.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:30 PM
 
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I wonder if the building's security officers are going to look at how this could have been prevented. He obviously just walked right in. No medical detectors or little security checks? He has had brushes with the law, although not in FL. "A former resident of both Puerto Rico and New York, Rodriguez has lived in Florida since 1999. He has no criminal history in Florida, but he has had brushes with violence and the law." http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-jason-rodriguez-bio-orlando-shooting,0,2152879.story
huh?
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:16 AM
 
Location: FLORIDA
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Medical detectors are probably not necessary, you're right. How about checking in with the front desk? Where you tell the person who you are and who you're there to see?
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:56 AM
 
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"Medical Detector"? You mean "metal detector" I hope.

Those are very impractical in office buildings. I've worked in large buildings, and generally speaking employees ahve ID cards that have a security stripe that allows them access by waving their ID, non-employees check in with a security/reception desk, where they are signed in and then either issued a guest pass or escorted by teh person they are there to see, depending on that buildings policy.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:46 PM
 
Location: FLORIDA
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]"Medical Detector"? You mean "metal detector" I hope.[/b]

Those are very impractical in office buildings. I've worked in large buildings, and generally speaking employees ahve ID cards that have a security stripe that allows them access by waving their ID, non-employees check in with a security/reception desk, where they are signed in and then either issued a guest pass or escorted by teh person they are there to see, depending on that buildings policy.

LOL... yeah, I meant metal detector, hahaha.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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Medical detectors are probably not necessary, you're right. How about checking in with the front desk? Where you tell the person who you are and who you're there to see?
What difference would this have made?

Would he had told the front desk, "Hi I am Mr. Rodriguez, and I am here to shoot everybody in floor 8 because I am a stupid maniac"?

OR

would he had just said, hi " I am Mr Rodriguez, I am here to deliver some documents to the office of Mr. so and So" ? And still go up and shoot everybody like he did?
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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After 9/11 many office towers did beef up security. I remember a few years ago being stopped in a lobby of the US BanK Tower in downtown LA and being asked to show ID.

I was in a suit and thought how strange that they're stopping so many people.

It turned out later they were under an alert for terrorism threats.

This incident could have happened anywhere in the country.

We want our freedoms but we also want to be safe. It is a tough call.

I am more concerend about what happened at Ft. Hood. Only CBS as far I know even mentioned the shooter had conflicts with his muslim beliefs and the US.
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Old 11-09-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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What difference would this have made?

Would he had told the front desk, "Hi I am Mr. Rodriguez, and I am here to shoot everybody in floor 8 because I am a stupid maniac"?

OR

would he had just said, hi " I am Mr Rodriguez, I am here to deliver some documents to the office of Mr. so and So" ? And still go up and shoot everybody like he did?
Normally when there is security in a building, the delivery would be left with security (or a rear entrance mail/packageroom), or they would call up to the office to verify a delivery was expected.
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Old 11-09-2009, 05:15 PM
 
Location: FLORIDA
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What difference would this have made?

Would he had told the front desk, "Hi I am Mr. Rodriguez, and I am here to shoot everybody in floor 8 because I am a stupid maniac"?

OR

would he had just said, hi " I am Mr Rodriguez, I am here to deliver some documents to the office of Mr. so and So" ? And still go up and shoot everybody like he did?
A laid-off, disgruntled employee may not have made it up to the 8th floor if Mr. Rodriguez had to tell the front desk who he was and what he was and why he was there. Maybe, maybe not. Just trying to think of ways to make it safer than it was.

For all we know, he could have been crazy enough to just start shooting at people on the highway if he couldnt get to his former employer.

This guy was crazy and I'm not sure how officers/security could have done a better job, I'm just throwing out some ideas.
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Old 11-09-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: FLORIDA
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Normally when there is security in a building, the delivery would be left with security (or a rear entrance mail/packageroom), or they would call up to the office to verify a delivery was expected.
Yes, that's what I was thinking. Some sort of service desk that could have called up to the 8th floor to verify the person who wanted to see them. Then again, if he was denied access to the 8th floor, he could have done something equally as stupid to the good folks on the ground floor - very tough situation.
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