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Old 02-12-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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Judge followed the law, not much she can do without more proof. Sad case, to say the least.
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Old 02-16-2010, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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If she were in fear for her safety, she would have notified AT&T of the situation so their security could assist her. All large corporations like that will work with employees to ensure their safety. The one I used to work for offered escorts in and out of the building to people going through divorces with crazy spouses.
Annerk, she probably didn't feel in danger. If she did, the first step before having a work security escort would be to at least have her husband walk her to the entrance. From the story, she and her husband returned from lunch, parked the car, and walked to separate building entrances. If she and her husband believed the man was out looking to harm her, then he would have at least walked her to the door of the building.

However, since they didn't do that, it seems to me like they believed this guy was a nuisance in her life. I didn't hear any mention of threats of violence in any of the news stories. Maybe the judge was right that it appeared the man was just a nuisance, and that's why he didn't grant the emergency restraining order.

In any case, this is a real tragedy... and sometimes in a tragedy, after the fact, we have a tendency to look for someone to blame. The person to blame for this is the person who pulled the trigger. In retrospect there are a ton of things we could come up with that she should have done differently: she should have had her husband walk her to the door, she should have filed for the restraining order sooner, etc, etc.. But let's not forget that people are unpredictable... and crazy people are even more unpredictable. All we can do now is learn from this...


(also, sorry for the late response, I was away from the board for a bit)
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Oviedo, FL
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why does the original poster put this up and then never come back?? They post on what can be a controversial subject and leave...i was curious as to what her responses would be
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:33 PM
 
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Annerk, she probably didn't feel in danger. If she did, the first step before having a work security escort would be to at least have her husband walk her to the entrance. From the story, she and her husband returned from lunch, parked the car, and walked to separate building entrances. If she and her husband believed the man was out looking to harm her, then he would have at least walked her to the door of the building.

However, since they didn't do that, it seems to me like they believed this guy was a nuisance in her life. I didn't hear any mention of threats of violence in any of the news stories. Maybe the judge was right that it appeared the man was just a nuisance, and that's why he didn't grant the emergency restraining order.

In any case, this is a real tragedy... and sometimes in a tragedy, after the fact, we have a tendency to look for someone to blame. The person to blame for this is the person who pulled the trigger. In retrospect there are a ton of things we could come up with that she should have done differently: she should have had her husband walk her to the door, she should have filed for the restraining order sooner, etc, etc.. But let's not forget that people are unpredictable... and crazy people are even more unpredictable. All we can do now is learn from this...


(also, sorry for the late response, I was away from the board for a bit)
I agree with you completely.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: New York, NY, USA
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Default Another Act of Violence

Do you think Hooters should take some responsibility for the safety of female workers? Another young woman has been killed after being stalked for months by a male patronizer.

And what do you think should happened to the career of that judge that refused to give her protection after she exhibited 72 pages of proof? I know that an order of protection cannot stop a bullet, but he could have incarcerated the offender. The judge did nothing, and now the woman is dead.

Your opinions please.

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Old 02-17-2010, 02:53 PM
 
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What was the reason the judge refused the request? This seems incredible.
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Old 02-17-2010, 03:19 PM
 
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What was the reason the judge refused the request? This seems incredible.
Very simple, there wasn't enough evidence to prove that he was anything more than a nuisance. To get a restraining order you have to prove that either physical harm or monetary injury is imminent, the victim only proved that the guy was a bit of a kook and an annoyance.

In Florida in order to prove the criminal offense of stalking, you have to prove malice. The man had never shown any danger or threatened her, he was jsut a pest. You can't go around locking up pests, and a judge can't lock up anyone up without due process.
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:59 PM
 
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Default I don't understand

How can anyone put the blame for this on the person's employer?

Maybe the victim could have tried arming herself and taking charge of her own personal safety. I certainly don't blame her as that would make as much sense as blaming her employer.

The truth is that there are very bad people out there. Restraining orders, laws, and the police can't protect everyone all the time.

Very very sad situation.
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:55 AM
 
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No one knows if restraining order could have saved this woman's, but this judge should have issued an injunction against him, evidence supports that he was stalking her. She feared for her safety and there were many emails and letters to prove that this man was following her, repeated unwanted contact should be sufficient for any reasonable and prudent judge to see that this situation warranted a protective order.
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:37 AM
 
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No one knows if restraining order could have saved this woman's, but this judge should have issued an injunction against him, evidence supports that he was stalking her. She feared for her safety and there were many emails and letters to prove that this man was following her, repeated unwanted contact should be sufficient for any reasonable and prudent judge to see that this situation warranted a protective order.
He was "stalking her" under Florida statute. Under Florida law, stalking must be done with malice. There is nothing in the shooters behavior up until the point that he approached her with a gun to indicate he was violent or had any ill intentions towards her. She might have been able to get him on a lesser harrasment charge had she gone to the police, although that still wouldn't have entitled her to a restraining order.

In order to issue a restrianing order, the person requesting it must prove that they have been or are in danger of physical harm. She wasn't able to prove that, because up until the point where she was shot and killed, the guy never threatened her or appeared to be anything more than a nuisance.

Don't like it, call your senator.
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