Smoking or No Smoking in homes (yours and others) (pregnant, woman, children)

[BlueSkyHoliday]

Originally Posted by mal_flisk

And anyone who allows smoking in a child care facility ought to be shot.

I completely agree.

States that DO ALLOW smoking in a child care facility: Kentucky, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina (where so many people with families are moving to! Do they even know this??), Pennsylvania, and Wyoming.

Not surprisingly, all of those states (and many others, sadly) are graded F on Smokefree Air laws in general.

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyHoliday

I completely agree.

States that DO ALLOW smoking in a child care facility: Kentucky, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina (where so many people with families are moving to! Do they even know this??), Pennsylvania, and Wyoming.

Not surprisingly, all of those states (and many others, sadly) are graded F on Smokefree Air laws in general.

Are you serious? I definitely didn't know that.
Why in the world would someone even want to smoke in a childcare facility?

[Arcticthaw]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyHoliday

I'm curious as to what other people's tolerance of cigarette smoke is, both in their own home and at others' homes.

We don't allow smoking in our house, and don't go to anyone's home where we know people will be smoking. I have very severe allergies to cigarette smoke (and to dogs and cats as well), and DH although not allergic cannot stand the smell of tobacco smoke either.

No smoking in the house, garage, cars, trucks, or boats! If you must smoke, then stay down wind!
My former wife smoked occasionally, think -40 and your outside freezing your but for a smoke!

[exhdo1]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyHoliday

I'm curious as to what other people's tolerance of cigarette smoke is, both in their own home and at others' homes.

We don't allow smoking in our house, and don't go to anyone's home where we know people will be smoking. I have very severe allergies to cigarette smoke (and to dogs and cats as well), and DH although not allergic cannot stand the smell of tobacco smoke either.

I've lost three family members to lung cancer....the sign says it all!

[BlueSkyHoliday]

Originally Posted by 66nexus

Are you serious? I definitely didn't know that.
Why in the world would someone even want to smoke in a childcare facility?

Unfortunately true .... if you haven't already, check out the state by state breakdown of smoking laws at Tobacco Control Home

You can also pick from a list, graded from A to F, here
Rank States

The site is part of the American Lung Association site, by the way.

First click on the state, then on the letter grade given for 'Smokefree Air' for all the details as to what their current smoking laws are for each type of public place (ranging from 'Bans' to 'Restricts' to 'No Provision'). 'No Provision' means there is no law requiring any kind of control over smoking in that type of place. The states I listed above all have 'No Provision' for controlling smoking in a childcare facility. Some others 'Restrict' smoking in such places, which I assume probably means that smoking is allowed somewhere IN the building but not in the same room as where children are physically also there.

I only checked those states that have received "F" grades on in the Smokefree Air category. It's possible that states who are graded slightly higher may allow smoking in childcare facilities but I didn't check those. Also, some of the "F" states do either Ban or Restrict smoking in childcare facilities (at least someone in their legislature has a brain) but allow it in other places.

Obviously the states such as Massachusetts and New York who are graded "A" ban smoking everywhere in public places. Sixteen states have currently earned an "A" grade. Do note that within each letter grade category, the states are listed ALPHABETICALLY, not by how good their laws are! For instance, Arkansas is listed first under the "A grade" category but if you look at the details, Arkansas does allow smoking in bars. However, MA and NY which are listed farther down, do NOT allow smoking in bars -- so MA and NY really are better states for smokefree air even though they are listed after Arkansas.

About smoking around children, by the way: About ten years ago we went to a family reunion where I was horrified to see one of my aunts who was also a grandmother, sitting with her infant granddaughter on her lap having a wonderful time socializing with everyone --- while chainsmoking cigarettes. She was literally holding the baby with one hand and puffing away on her cigarette with the other. NO ONE said a word about this behavior (because a good 1/3 to 1/2 of the people there were also smokers/smoking) and acted as if it was perfectly normal, which it probably was to them. DH and I were both appalled and disgusted.

[LoveBoating]

I use to smoke, STOPPED! I use to "dip/chew" Skoal and Redman, STOPPED! Although, when I did smoke, it was only a about a pack and a half a week. Funny, some smokers use to say to me, "please don't call yourself a smoker, I go thru a pack and a half in one morning". I stopped smoking and started chewing after I bought my first horse and started riding/roping. I didn't want to drop that darn cigarette on the horse and wind up on the arena floor. If I spit and it landed on the horse, nothing happened. Then three years ago, I decided I had enough of "dipping/chewing" and tossed a new can of Skoal in the trash. That was the end of that.
So, neither my wife or I smoke and we prefer not to make friends with people who do smoke (that is our choice). She has allergies also.

[AksarbeN]

BlueSkyHoliday

The link you provided was very interesting and I appreciate it being posted and providing information on a state to state bases. However I noticed Az. and Neb. were given much lower grades of I or F. Both of these states have enacted smoking bans in public places within this year 2007. I notice that the report was taken in 2006 so it doesn’t reflect some of the new updates.

Both of these states have very strong smoking bans now. I think they modeled the ban after some of the other state laws of Mass or NY.

In another topic area and post of smoking bans on this website, people are trying to “justify smoking in public places”. They feel that public places like bars restaurants should not have government controls. The point of argument is “public places” and “government control”. The point of importance is smoking as a health issue and problem! But the arguments on smoking bans go off into areas of businesses don’t make enough money now because they lost customers that don’t come in and drink any longer, government control, etc.? One post indicated that smoking “could help” those with TB and provided a link to support it!

C-D forum City State smoking ban link:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...king-bans.html

[BlueSkyHoliday]

Originally Posted by AksarbeN

But the arguments on smoking bans go off into areas of businesses don’t make enough money now because they lost customers that don’t come in and drink any longer, government control, etc.?

Thanks for the update on those two states! It's good to hear that more and more states and municipalities are really jumping onto the no-smoking bandwagon.

I always laugh at those 'we'll lose business' arguments, because if a restaurant loses some of their smoking customers, then they will very likely also acquire new non-smoking customers who wouldn't have gone there before. Especially when a state levels the playing field by saying "No smoking allowed in ANY restaurant or in ANY bar".

As for government control, that is another thing. But we already have government controls on many other things that are potential hazards to life and health. States have laws against unlicensed drivers, don't they? The logic is the same. Nobody complains about being required to have a drivers license before operating a car 'violating their civil rights' or being 'too much government control'. The same goes for DWI/DUI laws. Someone who literally doesn't know how to drive, or who is operating a car under the influence of alcohol or drugs, is a danger to other peoples' health and well being. So is breathing tobacco smoke. I don't think anyone in their right mind would dispute that.

[Janipoo]

My husband and I both smoke but never smoke in the house. My parents both smoke and they do smoke in their house but my dad usually tries to go outside.

[Art1979]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyHoliday

As for government control, that is another thing. But we already have government controls on many other things that are potential hazards to life and health. States have laws against unlicensed drivers, don't they? The logic is the same. Nobody complains about being required to have a drivers license before operating a car 'violating their civil rights' or being 'too much government control'. The same goes for DWI/DUI laws. Someone who literally doesn't know how to drive, or who is operating a car under the influence of alcohol or drugs, is a danger to other peoples' health and well being. So is breathing tobacco smoke. I don't think anyone in their right mind would dispute that.

Ahhh, so that's why there were 16,885 alcohol-related fatalities in 2005 and 75,766 alcohol-attributable deaths (AADs) in 2001? What in God's name ever possessed Congress to repeal the eighteenth amendment (aside from sin tax revenue)?

While I only complained about a driver's license when I was 16 , there were several times since then I've wanted to ask people "How the Hell did you pass your drivers test!?" State licensing laws do not a safe driver make. I even have friends that I rarely get in the car with (unless it's absolutely necessary), because the are so damn reckless. However, they have their license. Also, I've known people to drive with no or a suspended license. They'll receive the "No, that's fine. I'll pick you up." line if I hear it out of their mouth.

Listen, I know what you're saying. Smoking does kill, and that's one of the many reasons I'm stopping (not to mention how much they cost! ), however I will not think differently of anyone because they smoke. If they want to quit, that's awesome! I'll give them as much support as they can. However, these types of government controls only keep the honest people honest. It's personal choice, responsibility, and moderation that is the better solution.