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Old 02-02-2010, 04:04 PM
 
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Ah..., my comment is somewhat sarcastic in nature. I am fully aware of the money that is spent for the support of various religions in the US military as I am ex-Army. My thoughts are that a circle of rocks, is in itself, somewhat amusing! I'm thinking about building a circle of rocks outside my apartment building and communing with nature! You religious (and non-religious) types take life W-A-Y too seriously! Lighten up and and we'll all join a prayer circle and bang on drums!
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Please read my post #7. I was being somewhat satirical in my comments! Geez, please lighten up!
Perhaps future posts will have a bit more consideration and forethought put into them.

Very amusing (not) for someone to start a thread in this manner (which I highly doubt was in any way sarcastic) and then backpedal after they read the comments it spawned.

Pagans in the military have come a VERY long way in garnering respect or any sort of accommodation. There IS no 'lightening up' when one actually has knowledge of that struggle.

JMHO.

And to the poster(s) who were under the impression that Pagan = Pacifist, there is nothing I personally know that would support that theory, at least in a general sense. Different paths may have different ideologies.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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Saw a news blurb this morning about how the circle was desecrated by someone erecting a large wooden cross in it, and how the administration of the Academy brushed it off as nothing and hushed it up. I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been swastika in the synagogue or a pentagram in the chapel? It's too bad that christians are so insecure in their faith that they have to desecrate other religious areas. How shameful and how pathetically petty.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Yet at the same time the Academy was in trouble a few of years ago for intense Christian proselytizing on base! I agree with Mooseketeer: All or none!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/22/AR2005062200598.html
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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Saw a news blurb this morning about how the circle was desecrated by someone erecting a large wooden cross in it, and how the administration of the Academy brushed it off as nothing and hushed it up. I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been swastika in the synagogue or a pentagram in the chapel? It's too bad that christians are so insecure in their faith that they have to desecrate other religious areas. How shameful and how pathetically petty.
IMO, it's a form of hate crime...and this sort of desecration of pagan spaces is not at all uncommon (yet, I'm sure, the ones responsible will readily whine about their own religion being "under attack" ):

ATC Vandalized!

^^I attended that church while I lived in Washington, after the damage was more or less repaired. Mind you, the church and grounds are on private residential property, not military grounds.

I hope nothing of this sort occurs again at the academy or anywhere else, to ANY faith.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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Smile Good for you folks!

As a Catholic I read the article, blinked a few times, and then smiled broadly. Good for you pagans man - thumbs up! You have as much right to believe in what you want in this country as I do, or anyone else. I always like reading about other religions and their beliefs/faith - and as such is there someplace I could go to see what this is about? All I know is that stone circles like Stone Hedge are really cool - any web site I could browse to find out more? I'm not looking to convert (or do any for that matter) I just want to know what you folks do at these places. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Pagans in the military have come a VERY long way in garnering respect


Quite true, I'd even be willing to wager that the number of christians in the horde of Attila the Hun was close to zero.
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Old 02-03-2010, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Perhaps future posts will have a bit more consideration and forethought put into them.

Very amusing (not) for someone to start a thread in this manner (which I highly doubt was in any way sarcastic) and then backpedal after they read the comments it spawned.

Pagans in the military have come a VERY long way in garnering respect or any sort of accommodation. There IS no 'lightening up' when one actually has knowledge of that struggle.

JMHO.

And to the poster(s) who were under the impression that Pagan = Pacifist, there is nothing I personally know that would support that theory, at least in a general sense. Different paths may have different ideologies.
I stand corrected.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Michaux State Forest
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I haven't visited the R&P forum in awhile so I was really pleased to see this. I think it's absolutely wonderful that the Pagans got a prayer circle. They also won the right to have pentacles/pentagrams enscribed on gravestones at Arlington and other military gravesites. Before this, one was only permitted to chose religious icons from Christianity and Judism. Finally Paganism can step out of the dark of seclusion enforced by those who expect tolerance but give none. Maybe once ppl realize what Paganism actually is, the fear and intolerance will lessen.
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Da Region
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They also won the right to have pentacles/pentagrams enscribed on gravestones at Arlington and other military gravesites. Before this, one was only permitted to chose religious icons from Christianity and Judism.
See here what icons are allowed on Government headstones. While the majority are Christian, others are allowed.
Available Emblems of Belief for Placement on Government Headstones and Markers - Burial and Memorial Benefits
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Earth
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See here what icons are allowed on Government headstones. While the majority are Christian, others are allowed.
Available Emblems of Belief for Placement on Government Headstones and Markers - Burial and Memorial Benefits
And there was a lot of work to get that small recognition.
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