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Old 02-01-2011, 10:09 AM
Location: Barrington, IL area
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Originally Posted by purehuman View Post
his studies and papers were found to all be true!!!
No they weren't. They were found to all be full of crap.

Old 02-01-2011, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gramirez2012 View Post
No they weren't. They were found to all be full of crap.
Your are WRONG!!!!!!NaturalNews exclusive: International Medical Council on Vaccination refutes vaccine propaganda with myth-busting report
Old 02-01-2011, 10:20 AM
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by purehuman View Post
Dr. Andrew wakefield has been vindicated, his studies and papers were found to all be true!!! He is now asking for an apology from the Lancet....and he absolutely deserves it. You do realize that many children still get the very deseases they were vaccinated for??,
No, Wakefield has not been vindicated. He lost his license to practice medicine.

Some children get illnesses for which they have been vaccinated. Many more get ill because they were not vaccinated.
Old 02-01-2011, 10:30 AM
Location: Geneva, IL
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There is a great new book out which is well worth a look:

"Deadly Choices: How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All" by Paul A. Offit.

Dr. Paul Offit is the Chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases and the Director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and the Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.

Amazon.com: Deadly Choices: How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All (9780465021499): Paul A. Offit M.D.: Books
Old 02-01-2011, 10:38 AM
Location: Bucks, UK
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the vaccination vs no-vaccination debate has taken on a religious fervour, preventing many in each camp from listening to (and hearing) the arguments of the other.

whatever any given individual concludes on the subject, if you strip away subjectivity, and look at the cold hard facts, there remains, to date, no credible evidence that vaccination causes MMR.

the debate for/against vaccinations will rage on for probably decades yet, but the single fact above cannot be disputed.
Old 02-01-2011, 11:10 AM
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by purehuman View Post
Wakefield Vindicated? BMJ and Brian Deere Misrepresented Facts You offer no proof or scientific data that would support what you say in your last sentence.
NHS Evidence Health Information Resources formerly National Library for Health - News & RSS Article

The scientific evidence overwhelmingly proves Wakefield lied. He was involved with and paid a large sum of money by lawyers who wanted to sue the makers of the MMR vaccine. Meanwhile, he wanted to patent a measles only vaccine. Wakefield is a charlatan who wanted to get rich.

As to the last sentence, let's use the measles vaccine as an example.

After a full series, the measles vaccine is 99% effective. In the USA, 92% of children are vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated and are exposed to measles, there is a 90% chance you will catch it.

Take a population of 100,000 people. Ninety two percent are vaccinated: 92,000. If those 92, 000 are exposed, 1% catch the measles: 920. But, 91,080 do not catch measles.

Of the 8,000 who are not vaccinated, 90% catch measles: 7,200. Only 800 do not get sick.

Finally, high vaccination rates produce herd immunity. So many people are immune in the US that there are few susceptible individuals. Outbreaks in the US now are traced to unimmunized individuals who import measles from abroad, where, thanks to Wakefield, vaccination rates dropped.

See here what happens in populations that are not immunized:

CDC - Measles Outbreak in a Community with Very Low Vaccine Coverage, the Netherlands and here:


From the second link::

" ... in a recent Indiana outbreak, a 17-year-old girl was infected with measles on a trip to Romania, and when she came home she went to a church picnic attended by about 500 people. Of that group, 35 were unvaccinated. Three people out of 465 vaccinated got measles, while 31 out of the 35 who were unvaccinated contracted the disease ,,,"

That's less than 1% of the vaccinated people got sick and 89% of the ones who were not vaccinated did. Q.E.D. And that was at an outdoor picnic.

Last edited by suzy_q2010; 02-01-2011 at 11:24 AM.. Reason: add link
Old 02-01-2011, 09:31 PM
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The train of this discussion left the Parenting tracks a looooooong way back. If you'd like to continue debating the merits of vaccines and/or their links to autism, please do so in a more appropriate forum -- Health & Wellness and Politics & Other Controversies come to mind.

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