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Old 01-10-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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...watch that space as the Chinese culture becomes more "westernized". The benefits realized by this coercive style will be replaced, probably with lots of rebellion first.

As for that article, I realize this isn't constructive, but I have to say I wish I had it in hard copy. I would light a match and burn it. I really dislike and disagree with the author's perspective.

And yes, Dewdrop, things may appear one way, but if you get close to someone from this culture (which is difficult if you're not from the same culture), it can be surprising what thoughts these children share.
I could not agree more!

I would rather be a Western mother than a Chinese mother.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:55 PM
 
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I'd never call my kids garbage unless they really deserved it.
No child deserves to be called garbage. Never. Never. Never.
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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Wow. The author, Ms. Chua, sure made some sweeping generalizations! She might be suprised to know that I also raised a stereotypically successful child (class Salutatorian, scholarship to competitive college, serves his community) and he did lots of those things on that list a Chinese mother would never let her kids do! And he plays guitar, rather than violin or piano, (although I have other kids who play those, lol).

I guess I come at mothering from such a completely different cultural backround, and most likely, spiritual backround, that I agreed with almost nothing she said (oddly, her home city is about 30 minutes from me). I certainly do not consider Ms. Chua to be a 'superior' mother.
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:26 PM
 
Location: The "Rock"
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This is a stupid thread... I realize there is no value to that comment. But neither is this thread!!!
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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I think this is why China is going to be the worlds economical super power in the very near future. And why American children are falling behind almost ALL of the other developed nations in the world academically.

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And yet it seems more people would leave China to move to the USA than people here would leave to live in China, including the author of this piece. Certainly good parents wouldn't want to remove their children from a superior country to one where the people are so much lesser.

Also if all the students are getting A's or at the worst an A-, that's because the teachers must not be giving lower grades.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Ms. Chau sounds like a real peach! I think she is just trying to justify her militaristic parenting style. I have met plenty of "Chinese Mothers" that have very successful, happy children, and don't go nearly that far. One thing worth bearing in mind is the role Confucianism plays in many aspects of Chinese culture and parenting. That is often times where the "A- is not good enough" mindset originates.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:56 PM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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To people who prefer western styles, why? It's not completely obvious to me.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:00 AM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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And yet it seems more people would leave China to move to the USA than people here would leave to live in China, including the author of this piece. Certainly good parents wouldn't want to remove their children from a superior country to one where the people are so much lesser.

Also if all the students are getting A's or at the worst an A-, that's because the teachers must not be giving lower grades.
I don't think Chinese schools curve their grades. In USA I could get a 80% and still get an A+, fairly standard. In Asia if everyone gets every question right, everyone could potentially get an A+. If kids in the US encountered this style of grading everyone would get D's in my AP Chemistry class (except me who would get a B-, but I got the highest score).

The govt of China is completely different thing than the mothering styles of Chinese women... and to say Chinese could also imply Taiwanese in some cases. I think the fact that people are emigrating here has no bearing on anything. Chinese students excel in the USA for the reason that Chinese moms are just so much more hardcore. As are the Chinese students. I remember I used to cry if I got a A-. But my parents didn't even say anything to me. Perfection is just ingrained in the academic culture. Though I was devastated by academic setbacks it ultimately motivated me, and I learned how to deal with disappointments. I really believe I've reached my full potential. If I had a different upbringing I'm not sure I'd have the same success.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:09 AM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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This is a stupid thread... I realize there is no value to that comment. But neither is this thread!!!
Feeling threatened when somebody questions the crux of your Western parenting ideals? You probably should.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:46 AM
 
Location: California
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Feeling threatened when somebody questions the crux of your Western parenting ideals? You probably should.
Is that threat????
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