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Old 02-03-2011, 09:58 PM
 
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I had the same reaction as other posters at first, i.e., don't pathologize normal toddler behaviors!!

Moffit and Caspi are actually highly respected developmental psychopathology researchers (I worked in this field for awhile in grad school). I think the article may not be fully explaining the study and may be simplifying/overstating the relationship. My guess is that they looked at toddlers whose impulse control was way below average compared to other toddlers, rather than just talking about the normative level of impulsivity a little one has...I'm going to try to find the primary source and will link if I can.

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A gradient of childhood self-control predicts health, wealth, and public safety
Disclaimer - it's a dense read if you're not familiar with social science stats

My suspicion was right - they assessed impulsivity through a number of behavioral markers and reports from scientific observers, teachers, and parents at 3, 5, 7, 9 and 11 years old and pooled that data and followed the same kids up at age 32. The level of impulsivity measured (low impulse control) refers to more than just the normal level of poor impulse control a toddler has - it's talking about toddlers who are way more impulsive than their peers. So I think the Telegraph article reporting on the results is a tad misleading or at least not as detailed as it needs to be. Also, not sure if Telegraph mentioned that some toddlers who were assessed as highly impulsive at age 3 and were taught increased self-control by age 11 ended up with "good" adult outcomes. Hope that helps a bit?
Good insight.

For me the study just seems to go along with the fact that kids with ADHD are more likely to have drug and alcohol problems as they get older. Its all about poor impulse control. Its good information for parents to know though, because if they have a child with poor impulse control, they should know that they need to be quite careful and conscientious (both safeguarding against the problem by giving the child more positive outlets and also teaching coping skills for frustration and impulsivity) as their child gets older in regard to this risk.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:13 AM
 
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So, what do we do with those toddlers? Kill them? What a silly study.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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That depends, look at Hitler.

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So, what do we do with those toddlers? Kill them? What a silly study.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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Hmmm ever hear of nature vs. nurture

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That's an important piece of information to leave out. Glad to hear the study concluded what we already knew: good parenting can make a positive difference.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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That depends, look at Hitler.
Mhm. Well, we cannot predict the future. It's silly to think we can know who will overcome adversity and who will succumb to it.

So short answer: No, we don't kill toddlers.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Mhm. Well, we cannot predict the future. It's silly to think we can know who will overcome adversity and who will succumb to it.

So short answer: No, we don't kill toddlers.
Nope, don't kill the toddlers.

Although we can't predict outcomes 100% with any type of psychological phenomenon, identifying at-risk kids can help target who may most benefit from early intervention efforts. And despite the way the Telegraph reported on the study, one major point of Caspi and Moffitt is that intervention can make a difference in outcomes.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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No of course not. I was just being silly and sarcastic.

I really believe that in this #1 land of opportunity, that anyone can become all they want to as long as they have a good heart, and the capacity to love and do the right thing.

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Mhm. Well, we cannot predict the future. It's silly to think we can know who will overcome adversity and who will succumb to it.

So short answer: No, we don't kill toddlers.
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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No of course not. I was just being silly and sarcastic.

I really believe that in this #1 land of opportunity, that anyone can become all they want to as long as they have a good heart, and the capacity to love and do the right thing.
I think that is true to an extent. About a month ago there was a good bit of discussion about the 10 yr old boy who shot his mother. The consensus seemed to be that he was 'mentally unstable'. It seemed to me that there was considerable instability in the home which no doubt contributed to this child's 'impulsivity'.

I don't think there will come a day when a 'cure' for family problems will be found.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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Insanity is hereditary.
You get it from your kids.
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