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I think you've made it vehemently clear that no matter what evidence you're presented with, even evidence which you say would change your mind if you saw it, your mind is decided and no fact, no ethical or medical opinion, is going to sway you. I, however, think that when it comes to deciding upon any surgery that informed expert opinions are valuable. It is now very clear to me that we are approaching this subject from two different perspectives. You are arguing from an emotional mindset and I from a medical and ethical mindset. I do not think it will be possible to reconcile these.
I'm not going to take into account YOUR evidence Jason_Els - it is not your job to change my mind and make me think like you. You are preaching to the choir and don't even realize it. Anyone who thinks they are absolutely right and accuses others of having an irrational viewpoint (which is, btw, is thinking from an emotional standpoint) is not credible to me. Move on already, your opinion doesn't matter to me anymore.
You're welcome. I'm glad it wasn't a total waste of time and effort. Sometime I just feel...
Seriously, your opinion does matter. There's just no point trying to convince someone who's point of view is coming from a completely different angle. You do have your right to try, but like you said, you might get a headache trying. And it probably still won't work.
Jason, Charles and others ... on this subject, I think there are many who are all too happy to keep their blinders on & who prefer to remain ignorant on the issue. Just keep in mind that there are others out there reading this thread and I'm sure a few of them were affected by the evidence presented. I, for one, greatly appreciate your contributions to the discussion.
Jason, Charles and others ... on this subject, I think there are many who are all too happy to keep their blinders on & who prefer to remain ignorant on the issue. Just keep in mind that there are others out there reading this thread and I'm sure a few of them were affected by the evidence presented. I, for one, greatly appreciate your contributions to the discussion.
Jason, Charles, MrsSteel. I have been open to your point of view (perhaps I didn't make that clear) but that doesn't mean I have to BELIEVE in it. That doesn't make me - or anyone else who doesn't agree with you - stupid sheep or ignorant. Having an open mind means being receptive to the views of others and not judging others based upon your own beliefs. Right? I thought I was respectful of your opinions up until you thought my opinions were "ignorant", "irrational", and when CW decided to sling personal insults (which were deleted). You can get better responses to your views with honey not vinegar. Perhaps if you knew me personally, you'd be less likely to think I was a close-minded, irrational, ignorant fool.
I've given you something to do for the past few days... but now, I'm going to go give my little girl a birthday party. I have no sons, so I'm glad I don't have to decide on this anytime soon! Thank you for at least making me think outside the box.
I did not say that you are ignorant, Mommabear2. I said that some people chose to remain ignorant on this subject. Conveniently, you gave us an extremely good example of that.
1. Information was given refuting a claim.
2. You, by your own admission, chose not to read the information ... to ignore it.
That is the very definition of chosing to remain ignorant.
It was not meant as an insult.
Note than a person can be ignorant on an issue (meaning that they are uneducated on the details of an issue), but that in no way means that the person is stupid. Not at all. There is a big difference. Sadly, some people confuse the two. If you were confused by my meaning, Mommabear2, I apologize for creating that confusion.
MrsSteel. If I wanted to remain ignorant on this issue, I wouldn't have stayed on this thread as long as I had. I was chosing NOT to be ignorant, by talking to others like you who had a particular view - that is what being open-minded is about.
Ignorance means lacking knowledge or awareness; uneducated and unsophisticated. There was more to this thread than that one post I skipped over. Even though I skipped over that post, I read and understood everything else that you and others wrote. I am filled with more information about this issue compared to the beginning. So, it would therefore make me informed (but chosing to be okay with what I believe) - NOT ignorant. I agree that people can be ignorant about an issue - which at the beginning I was admittedly - but I can't say I am nor can you assume that about me.
This thread has been interesting - if not addictive. But - I think I really need to go somewhere else where the atmosphere is not so combative. So if I don't respond, think nothing of it.
Peace:-)
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But thank you for your comment.
