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Old 01-17-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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I dig the song, I like the sound, but I don't think this is what 13-14 year olds should be listening to and influenced by. Its nothing new and that doesn't make it right.
But it isn't the reason kids are "messed up" today (if you buy into the idea that they are). Things like this have been around for ages, kids have been exposed to this stuff for ages (opera was pop culture in the 19th century). It does influence kids, but it's not something new that just started recently.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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I only looked up the one Rhapsody in the Rain. And while it may be pushing it for its time, it was about something not illegal by any means. And the majority of these songs are more so subliminally about the topic you mentioned. So to this, I raise you.
Trust me. "Pushing it" would be a MILD description of the effect that song had. It's all relative to the times. When that song came out every parent (and preacher) in the country was horrified. All of the songs I listed caused some type of hysteria when it was released and people were convinced the country was going to hades because that song was on the radio.

My point in all of this is..... if you properly guide and parent your child they will be fine. My siblings and I listened to songs that made our parents go but, thankfully, they didn't censor us. Because they knew the music they listened to made their parents go . We turned out just fine. No one is sitting in jail because they played bass and sang the dirty lyrics to Louie Louie.

But if you don't want your children listening to those songs.... fine. That is (will be?) your right as a parent.


BTW: It wasn't just the lyrics to RITR that had "the adults" upset. It was the rhythm of the song itself. I can still remember the outrage that, "You can have sex to the beat of the song!" First time I heard that from some guy yelling about it on TV I thought, "Well don't you have a dirty mind?" Still makes me laugh.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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You're right in a way its not that different, people are pushing boundries through culture, film, music (and it helps get you noticed), but my issue is that a lot of people are saying this and making it sound like its alright, its no big deal, and its acceptable to preach to kids about drugs, sex, violence over and over.

Parents tell kids to stay away from drugs, sex, violence, so why think its alright for someone who influences kids style and lifestyle to repeatedly say it and think its okay because you grew up with Elvis and things are fine.
I see it as people saying it is no more influential now than it ever was. Yes, you can argue it's more explicit now, but so is everything about modern life. Gone are the days of "Sir, I bite my thumb at thee," for better or for worse.

If you want to argue that what is considered normative now is more risque relative to what was normative at other times in history, I could see being able to make that argument (I don't have a hard and fast opinion on that at present). I don't believe that the relative influence of "subversive art" has changed, though.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Atlanta & NYC
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So, what led to the demise of the way kids relate to their families? The disrespect I've seen from teens & adult kids to their parents is astounding.
The way that the teens are so self absorbed, spoiled--demanding cell phones, I pods, laptops, "Uggs" & other name brand crap, could be a part of the problem.
And if the parents think the kids will grow up & magically turn into loving, kind people-wrong
Just yesterday I overheard my neighbor yelling, swearing & screaming at his mom to move his stuff, & help him to her car. He's 36 years old
Children are a reflection of how they are raised. Also, what may be considered disrespectful to you, may not be disrespectful to other parents.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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I only looked up the one Rhapsody in the Rain. And while it may be pushing it for its time, it was about something not illegal by any means. And the majority of these songs are more so subliminally about the topic you mentioned. So to this, I raise you.

Ghostface Killah - three bricks
Today's agenda, got the suitcase up in the Sentra
Go to room 112, tell 'em Blanco sent ya
Feel the strangest, if no money exchanges
I got these kids in Ranges, to leave them n***az brainless
All they tote is stainless, you just remain as
calm as possible, make the deal go through
If not, here's 12 shots, we know how you do
Please make yo' killings clean, slugs up in between
they eyes, like "True Lies," kill 'em and flee the scene
Just bring back the coke or the cream.

This is the tame part of the song too. I dig the song, I like the sound, but I don't think this is what 13-14 year olds should be listening to and influenced by. Its nothing new and that doesn't make it right.
I went to high school with my husband. When we were freshmen, he gave me a mix tape. Suicidal Tendencies on one side and 2 Live Crew on the other. We were 14 and listened to that kind of music all the time. Twenty-five years later and we are educated, straight-laced suburbanites with a minivan.

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Gone are the days of "Sir, I bite my thumb at thee," for better or for worse.
I so love that you know what that means. Sorry I couldn't rep you.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Twenty-five years later and we are educated, straight-laced suburbanites with a minivan.
Well that's just wrong!
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:10 PM
 
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^ I know. The minivan is my deepest regret.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Do you mean this one?

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That's the one. It was considered subversive. It was also in a heck of a lot of bedrooms and dorm rooms. (And yet we didn't all name our kids Moon Unit. How on earth did that happen?)
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:19 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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What are the consequences of not being kind, responsible adults?
Having no friends, depression, isolation, financial ruination, despair, criminal activity, inability to form lasting relationships with others, lack of creativity,substance abuse, possibly incarceration.

I love my children way too much to want any of this for them.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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I don't know who some of you posters hang out with that you get the idea that kids are so bad now. Admittedly my kids are younger, so I don't have a huge pool of teens on which to base my opinion; but I honestly don't know any who are "so messed up." the ones I know are active in our church youth group. They go on mission trips, spend time doing fundraisers throughout the year, they play sports, they babysit... All the teens I know seem too busy to get into much trouble.
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