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Old 01-17-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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In addition the lack of respect is also due to technology, and I'll say Jackass the show/movie didn't help, and neither did a lot of the pop culture, whether it be hip hop all about guns hoes and money or the screamo genre which is full of sad kids being outcasts.
If we're just talking popular culture of the last 50 to 55 years I can assure you rock musicians have been singing about these subjects since the 1950's. Yep. Pills, suicide, murder, sex. Hip hop and screamo did not invent it. Not by a long shot.

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Old 01-17-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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I'm 28 Goat, if that makes a difference. Yeah I heard the same thing about how my grandmother thought Elvis was bad etc. Theres still a big difference in what he was saying vs what they are saying now.

Music influences behavior BIG TIME. Or at least I'll speak for myself. If I listen to calm happy music, I'll be happy. If I listen to Hardcore I'll get edgy, and if I listen to any sort of sad or emo music, I'll soon get sad. Theres a reason before sports begin people listen to harder and violent music, it plays on peoples emotion and mood.

So when you have people listening to music about how life sucks and people are being screwed over by significant others (go ahead and listen to Alkaline Trio), or about stealing the coke and shooting someone (go ahead and listen to Ghostface Killah - Three bricks), it steers someone in a different direction. These are just two references off the top of my head. This isn't on only level the same as any songs you mentioned. This is about being sad and taking pills or stealing, murdering, and drugs.

I'm old enough to not let this influence me much, but when I was younger, either of these bands could send me in a direction of no good, and I'm not the only one.
Exactly. Linkin Park, for example, hugely popular among the 15-30 demographic. And the bull$hit they continue to spread in their lyrics. I mean, who gives a rat's ar$e. These guys make the same money they accuse the others about making. For example, "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die, these ****ers are laughing all the way to the bank". Well, these 5 freaks laugh all the way to the bank as well.

I mean, the moment these guys speak about some philosophy I feel like I wanna go back to Mozart or Bach. Can't believe the bull$hit, the propaganda and the garbage that comes out of the speakers.

Musicians and pop stars need to stop pretending like champions of the oppressed. They are no different from Nazi propaganda we used to know about before the war Everybody has an agenda. And this is the kind of garbage the younger generation is assaulted with. How many little guys I have seen with the Che T-shirt. It's not even funny

Musicians need to make music and stop there. No need to further their liberal, green ideology which often flirts with socialism and communism. They are more dangerous than the radical christian and islamic clerics, to be honest.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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So, what led to the demise of the way kids relate to their families? The disrespect I've seen from teens & adult kids to their parents is astounding.
The way that the teens are so self absorbed, spoiled--demanding cell phones, I pods, laptops, "Uggs" & other name brand crap, could be a part of the problem.
And if the parents think the kids will grow up & magically turn into loving, kind people-wrong
Just yesterday I overheard my neighbor yelling, swearing & screaming at his mom to move his stuff, & help him to her car. He's 36 years old
1) Lack of role models

2) The way their parents and others in their lives raise them

3) What they see in the media for the fake role models that they look up to.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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She's not. The way I read mommabear's comment is that the general population lamenting the problems with kids today tends to land on generalizations and platitudes such as "parents want to be friends with their kids and not parents." This is fine as an opinion, but strikes me as a gross over-generalization at best (and trust me, my kids hear no from us plenty). As Zimbo mentioned in response to another post, I have not seen this parenting style among any parent I know, which makes me wonder, where are all these permissive, friends-with-their-kids parents? I'm sure there are some out there; IMO, there has been "poor parenting" and "good parenting" for as long as there have been parents.
That is the consequence of not being a "nice, responsible adult." They don't get to be friends with people who are responsible. Your boundaries probably keeps them out or many times, they choose to go elsewhere.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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I'm 28 Goat, if that makes a difference. Yeah I heard the same thing about how my grandmother thought Elvis was bad etc. Theres still a big difference in what he was saying vs what they are saying now.

Music influences behavior BIG TIME. Or at least I'll speak for myself. If I listen to calm happy music, I'll be happy. If I listen to Hardcore I'll get edgy, and if I listen to any sort of sad or emo music, I'll soon get sad. Theres a reason before sports begin people listen to harder and violent music, it plays on peoples emotion and mood.

So when you have people listening to music about how life sucks and people are being screwed over by significant others (go ahead and listen to Alkaline Trio), or about stealing the coke and shooting someone (go ahead and listen to Ghostface Killah - Three bricks), it steers someone in a different direction. These are just two references off the top of my head. This isn't on only level the same as any songs you mentioned. This is about being sad and taking pills or stealing, murdering, and drugs.


I'm old enough to not let this influence me much, but when I was younger, either of these bands could send me in a direction of no good, and I'm not the only one.
That sounds like people not taking responsibility for their behavior. Is that what you are admitting to?
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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If we're just talking popular culture of the last 50 to 55 years I can assure you rock musicians have been singing about these subjects since the 1950's. Yep. Pills, suicide, murder, sex. Hip hop and screamo did not invent it. Not by a long shot.
Exactly. People originally thought Mozart was gauche in his time too. Nothing new.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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Hold on a second, what is it that I said which invoked your wrath

Mine was a carefully constructed, wholesomely true assertion (even for Goldilocks and the three bears ). A parent is a parent. A parent is NOT a friend. Of course, in adulthood, when the son or daughter is over 20.
I think it is true that a parent is a parent. However, throwing a phrase like "parents want to be their child's friend" really has no meaning in a large scale discussion. What does that mean?

Does it mean that parents who make decisions with an eye toward their future relationship with their children are trying to "be their child's friend"? That would be ridiculous.

In addition, while a parent is not a friend it is not a bad thing that children and parents do things together that friends do. I love to take my kids to a baseball game. Or to watch a football game with them on Sunday afternoon. I also play in a Fantasy Football league with my kids, nieces/nephews, cousins and my cousins kids. Those are all activities that one would do with friends. Is it a bad thing then, that parents sometimes treat their kids in the same way they treat their friends?

Parents wear many hats. Parents need to be parents. They also need to be companions, mentors, soothers, and yes-sometimes friends.

I do not think it is a good thing when parents abdicate responsibility for parenting in favor of doing fun things with their kids. But I also do not believe that "parents wanting to be friends with their kids" is necessarily a bad thing. Nor do I see todays teens as any more "messed up" than teens of other generations.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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I was wondering about that comment as well.... Maybe she's one of the parents who thinks it's fine to be friends w/ the kids. It will backfire, I guarantee it
I have managed to get one to almost 18 years old with no problems. He has been accepted to a few good colleges, never been in trouble with the law and has won numerous community service awards.

I'll put my parenting skills against the best any day of the week.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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I love to take my kids to a baseball game.
As did I. I lost track, a long time ago, of how many baseball and football games I saw with my kids.

Here's the thing, though: when I was with them at the ballpark I was still their parent. And I was more their parent then a friend. If there was any misbehavior a friend might have said, "Cool." I said, "Knock it off."
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:58 AM
 
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That is the consequence of not being a "nice, responsible adult." They don't get to be friends with people who are responsible. Your boundaries probably keeps them out or many times, they choose to go elsewhere.
I do agree that like-minded parents and/or kids probably seek each other out. But my reference pool is larger than my friends or my kids' friends- I was an adolescent therapist for years. Honestly, the super permissive style that is referred to in this thread as being omnipresent was a pretty rare thing, even in clinical practice. I'm not saying that some people don't parent as buddies rather than parents, just that I think the guesstimates as to how many parents do this are greatly exaggerated. JMHO.
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