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Old 02-08-2012, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Right. She talked to HERSELF. She makes quite an impressive and representative sample.
What I am arguing is not based on how I and only I feel.
I've known a heck of a lot of first generation immigrant parents, and NONE has felt the way you felt. Absolutely none.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Get over your shock and go out there and talk to first generation immigrant parents about how they see the US educational system. There are quite a few studies out there. Bother to research and read.
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Right. She talked to HERSELF. She makes quite an impressive and representative sample.
What I am arguing is not based on how I and only I feel.
I am a first generation immigrant parent, and thankfully I have never met a first generation immigrant parent who displays as much disdain for their adoptive country's culture and norms as you manage to do in each and every post, regardless of the topic. You are responsible for how you raise your children, why demean the choices others make? If you don't agree with the way others educate or discipline their children, then so be it, but why the constant put-downs?

You have chosen to live in this country, and therefore its culture. If you find it so abhorrent and offensive, there really is only one solution.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that growing up behind the Iron Curtain was all rainbows and unicorns, but that's a whole other topic.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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I am a first generation immigrant parent, and thankfully I have never met a first generation immigrant parent who displays as much disdain for their adoptive country's culture and norms as you manage to do in each and every post, regardless of the topic. You are responsible for how you raise your children, why demean the choices others make? If you don't agree with the way others educate or discipline their children, then so be it, but why the constant put-downs?

You have chosen to live in this country, and therefore its culture. If you find it so abhorrent and offensive, there really is only one solution.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that growing up behind the Iron Curtain was all rainbows and unicorns, but that's a whole other topic.
Yep. The people I know growing up behind the Iron Curtain have nothing good to say about it. Just about every immigrant family I know loves the country and the opportunity to be here.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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It turns out that according to some study somewhere (I forget the details) people who can change a decision tend to be less happy with their choices (i.e. marriage here in the U.S. or college choices, etc. - anything you can change or reverse). People who cannot change a decision tend to be happier about their choice (i.e. having a baby). The reason is because if you're "stuck" with the decision, people tend to be happy about it.
What? I'm sure there are plenty of people who wish that they could take back just one thing that they did that changed their lives forever, and regret every minute of their life-changing decision. For example, how many convicted felons wish that they never made the choice to have a permanent mark against them for the rest of their lives? Maybe if you're talking about the choice between having kids and not having them, this might apply, but not all choices fit into this nice, neat little paradigm.
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Old 02-22-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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What? I'm sure there are plenty of people who wish that they could take back just one thing that they did that changed their lives forever, and regret every minute of their life-changing decision. For example, how many convicted felons wish that they never made the choice to have a permanent mark against them for the rest of their lives? Maybe if you're talking about the choice between having kids and not having them, this might apply, but not all choices fit into this nice, neat little paradigm.
The study, as I recall, pertained to having a child or not. I'm not here to discuss felons, and I do not remember the interviewing dealing with that issue.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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I would be severely disappointed in my child and wonder what I'd done wrong to cause him/her to be so selfish to not want children. It's also a sin to want to remain childless since it's a selfish act plus God gave us the ability to reproduce.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Wherever life takes me.
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I would be severely disappointed in my child and wonder what I'd done wrong to cause him/her to be so selfish to not want children. It's also a sin to want to remain childless since it's a selfish act plus God gave us the ability to reproduce.
Im not religious so I will just say that we also have the ability to scratch our own asses....but that doesn't mean we HAVE to if we don't want to.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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If someone doesn't want children, they shouldn't have children, its a clear sign someone is not parent material.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: IN
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I would be severely disappointed in my child and wonder what I'd done wrong to cause him/her to be so selfish to not want children. It's also a sin to want to remain childless since it's a selfish act plus God gave us the ability to reproduce.
You are very misguided if you think that. Most people are childless these days because it costs so much to raise a child and their wages are not increasing as fast as inflation. It is not selfish at all to look after one's one interests first before ever thinking about reproducing. Period. Also, DINKS and singles subsidize the costs for those that have large families who consume more resources.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:12 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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You are very misguided if you think that. Most people are childless these days because it costs so much to raise a child and their wages are not increasing as fast as inflation.
I don't know. I think the majority of people who choose to be childless do so because they don't want children, not because they want them but can't afford it. Although ... I can see some having the mindset that they don't want children yet and thus do not have them at the moment.

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It is not selfish at all to look after one's one interests first before ever thinking about reproducing. Period.
I agree with this.

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Also, DINKS and singles subsidize the costs for those that have large families who consume more resources.
Likewise, people with children subsidize health care costs for the aging population by spreading risk across a broader population. The majority of health care costs come from seniors, not children.
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