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Old 02-05-2012, 10:12 AM
Location: Hyrule
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Originally Posted by Zimbochick View Post
Knock it off.

Old 02-05-2012, 10:13 AM
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Please pass the popcorn.
Old 02-05-2012, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by somebodynew View Post
Please pass the popcorn.
Which goes great with Gatorade.
Old 02-05-2012, 10:36 AM
Location: Geneva, IL
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Originally Posted by PoppySead View Post
I think you need to re read this thread. The rudeness isn't just from one poster, it's all over the place. I too have a close relative who is head of nursing in the ER at a major hospital in CA. She isn't getting the shot for her kids yet. Do you think this makes a difference? Of course not, I didn't think so. My husbands best friend is a surgeon, do you think he's perfect? No.
Just because someone on a public forum claims to be a nurse that doesn't mean they are the expert on vaccines. It doesn't mean they are a good nurse either. Hell, it might not even be true. It takes a lot more credibility than that, it also doesn't give them license to call others stupid or uninformed for making the choice to wait. You might thing they are above the rest but they aren't. Just people. That doesn't give them the excuse to be rude.
You are correct, you know nothing about me, so please stop making disparaging remarks.

2 points of clarification:

1) I have not given any unsubstantiated information or advice, I have merely linked to current, legitimate resources.

2) If I personally was to take guidance from friends or family in the field, I would choose those who have domain knowledge, or alternatively I would ask them for resources. Just because people work in the field of medicine, does not mean they have any specific knowledge of HPV or the vaccine. That goes for any condition or medication. Domain knowledge is important.

Last edited by Zimbochick; 02-05-2012 at 10:53 AM..
Old 02-05-2012, 12:48 PM
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by PoppySead View Post
Aw yes, I bet there are. It's nice you are so personal with them. I myself am a Molecular Epidemiologist on the side. I'm on the hunt for a wild strain of measles, but I have extra time to come on here and learn from the number of scientists and health professionals. They are helping me decide on vaccinating my son with the hpv vaccine. Sorry for sounding so "snarky" and coming off so "obnoxious." I wouldn't want to come off that way. I think the Gatorade study sounds fantastic!
I though I was answering a questions on this thread at first, seems I was just standing naked just waiting to be clothed. I'm very appreciative for the direction and logical reasons for getting the shot. I had no idea how to come up with those on my own so it was very helpful. Thanks for your opinion as well.
And I'm Tinkerbell!

Originally Posted by NEOhioBound View Post
So what. I mean, good for her, but my best friend is one as well and so is the wife of my boss and my sister is head of MRI department. None of them have chosen to vaccinate their children with this vaccine.

I am FOR many many vaccines- just not this one. Hasn't been studied for near long enough in my opinion, which I am entitled to.
Many nurses whose sole experience is in the hospital area (this does not include Zimbochick, BTW) are as clueless about vaccines as the next person. They're dealing with sick people, and trying to make them better. They're not dealing with well kids/adolescents who come in to the office asking for information about immunizations. Just sayin'. I wouldn't take their advice as definitive.
Old 02-05-2012, 01:04 PM
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Folks, if you disagree, just disagree. A link war is not going to solve the debate any more than a Biblical quote war ever works over in Religion. Has anybody ever said, "Hmm, you're right, I never considered that before"? No. Everybody talks, nobody listens.

Getting snide is not helping either.
Old 02-05-2012, 03:01 PM
Location: You know... That place
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I just want to thank everyone who posted information from reliable sources. That information will help me make an informed decision when the time comes. Thank you all for taking the time to put the information out there.
Old 02-05-2012, 09:28 PM
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by PoppySead View Post
Yes, public forums can sometimes be the best source of information for things like getting your son a vaccine or cancer advise. I use them for important information all the time. You know me. In deed a bunch of strangers on a forum at their best!

Guess you'll just have to stick to the topic of vaccines on this one. Too bad. I bet you have some terrific advice for how I can handle my kids driving. I'll be very very afraid then as well and I'm sure just as ignorant as I've been with medical issues and my kids. Well, see ya round cd I'm sure! Thanks again, it's been an eye opening experience.

Better not hand them the keys.

You are convinced HPV vaccine is deadly. Even if every internet story is the gospel truth and HPV vaccines have killed all those people in 87 reports to VAERS, that can't hold a candle to what happens to teens and young adults when they get in a motor vehicle.

CDC - Teen Drivers Fact Sheet - Motor Vehicle Safety
Old 02-05-2012, 10:43 PM
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by JustJulia View Post
Folks, if you disagree, just disagree. A link war is not going to solve the debate any more than a Biblical quote war ever works over in Religion. Has anybody ever said, "Hmm, you're right, I never considered that before"? No. Everybody talks, nobody listens.

Getting snide is not helping either.
Well Julia, I cannot resist one more link. The actual VAERS reports that someone wondered why they cannot be confirmed or ruled out Gardasil related deaths: Search Results from the VAERS Database)

I almost hate to use the link, since it comes from a notorious anti-vax group, but it ironically fails to support their agenda.

* A registered nurse reported a death but refused to give the name of the person who died.

* A physician went to a conference, then reported that he had heard about two deaths. He had no details.

* Several people reported that they had read about deaths on the internet or on TV. No details. Often, the same source made multiple reports.

* Two reports that said there had been multiple deaths. Did not give any details, so no way to know whether those deaths had already been reported.

* A couple of sad ones from grieving parents.

* A report (from a foreign country) in which there was possible carbon monoxide poisoning. A criminal investigation was being performed.

* A report that "HPV vaccine killed someone in the country."

* A report from a physician that he "heard from a parent of one of his patients who also heard from elsewhere concerning a female who was vaccinated with a 0.5ml dose of GARDASIL, IM. 'Some time passed, then she died'. The cause of death was not reported."

* "Initial and follow up information has been received from a physician, who was told by one of his patients, that the mother of a consumer was told by a neurologist that there were 4,400 kids who have died following vaccination with GARDASIL. No product quality complaint was involved. Attempts are being made to verify the existence of patients. Additional information has been requested." That is 5 degrees of hearsay ~ Suzy Q

* "Information has been received from an office manager that the physician heard from the physician''s colleague that a 16 year old female colleague''s patient was given an unspecified dose of GARDASIL (Lot not reported) on a Friday and on Monday the patient passed away (specific dates were unknown). The reporter considered the event as disabling and life threatening. Additional information has been requested." That one is 4 degrees of hearsay ~ Suzy Q

And more.

Anyone who wants to read them all, Google is your friend.

And if you use VAERS reports to decide not to vaccinate your children, it certainly does not make you look smart.
Old 02-06-2012, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
And if you use VAERS reports to decide not to vaccinate your children, it certainly does not make you look smart.
Why would you not be smart for using official VAERS reports that show more than 20,000 adverse effects? I have not been on this thread for awhile, partially since it is getting so crazy. I am generally very pro-vaccine. However, my daughter had one dose of the HPV vaccine and had a bad reaction for days. I found lots of reports about kids like her. Many of these kids who proceeded with the second and third doses ended up with long-term problems, including the development of seizure disorders. This is the reason why MANY people were asking if the girls from LeRoy, who have been diagnosed with "conversion disorder," received the HPV vaccine recently.

In medicine there is nothing that is good for everyone. Is it impossible for you to believe that this vaccine might harm a certain subset of people? I have decided not to get my daughter the second and third doses. I have never done this before with ANY other vaccine. She has received every other one offered to her, including the annual flu vaccination. This is the ONLY vaccine she has ever received that caused a bad reaction. She never even developed a fever with the other ones.

This thread has reminded me that I need to report my daughter's reaction to VAERS. Many people do not because there is not as much motivation to do it if your kid gets better. This is why reactions are way under-reported by VAERS.

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