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Old 02-02-2012, 12:13 AM
 
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Urgent Warning about Gardasil - YouTube

 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:16 AM
 
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You, Suzy are way out of the loop on Dr. Tenpenney. She practices bigtime.

About Dr. Tenpenny (http://drtenpenny.com/about_drTenpenny.aspx - broken link)

No, she is not a quake, but I do see that you are apparently desperate to try and squelch her and other physicians that are wisely, against the shots. So, you are pitifully forced to result to Ad Hominem.

You have not gainsayed her, or countless other physicians and scientists that, like her, are strongly against the barrage of shots.

Their patients are very blessed for having them.
It's ironic that you are complaining about an ad hom and then resorting to another logical fallacy in the same post. Appeal to authority. Yes some scientists and doctors are anti vaccine but the vast majority are pro vaccine. If we are going to pretend appeal to authority has merit, your positions even more tenuous.

I also have huge flaws with her methodology, especially her misuse of statistics (I am a scientist myself). If you really want to get into them we should perhaps move this to the health forum.
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:22 AM
 
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Much better choice of words this time.

She is a physician but all I said in my post is she is not an MD. Which you clearly realize now she is not. That was my entire point.

Thank you for fixing that for anyone else who is reading this.

You've got to be kidding! Who do you think you're fooling? She IS a physician, a medical doctor. She is now in Alternative Medicine.
She has not lost her medical license nor was her mind swiped of her medical education.

I guess you think our pediatrician in Hawaii is no longer a physician since she now has her law degree, too?

Now, back to the subject of this thread...



Gardasil WARNING! - CNN Report 8.11.8 - YouTube
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:29 AM
 
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You've got to be kidding! Who do you think you're fooling? She IS a physician, a medical doctor. She is now in Alternative Medicine.
She has not lost her medical license nor was her mind swiped of her medical education.

I guess you think our pediatrician in Hawaii is no longer a physician since she now has her law degree, too?

Now, back to the subject of this thread...


Your sources and responses are telling in and of themselves. For the last time she is NOT an MD.

At least Dr. Tenpenny does not misrepresent herself as an MD. From her own website:

"Dr. Tenpenny is a graduate of the University of Toledo in Toledo, Ohio.* She received her medical training at Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine in Kirksville, Missouri.* Dr. Tenpenny was board certified in Emergency Medicine through 2005 (she chose not to renew) and has been board certified in Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine since 1995.*"

If you are incapable of admitting you were wrong about something as simple as a definition, in this case that she was a medical doctor aka MD, then why should anyone trust anything you have to say about something as important as whether or not to use this vaccine?

And to be clear, she did not become a DO in ADDITION to an MD but rather instead of, the two rarely go hand in hand, since the philosophies differ so radically on a fundamental level.
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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In YOUR opinion they are safe, but I dont trust big pharma companies to tell me they are safe. They are in the business to make money, not save lives.
The problem with that argument as it relates to vaccines is that there is much more money to be had treating the diseases that vaccines prevent.

And vaccines do have to be evaluated for safety in order to get FDA approval. Obviously, the definition of "safe" will depend on what the drug is for. A chemotherapy drug for cancer will not be held to the same safety standard that a vaccine would be. Vaccines have to be extremely safe because so many people will be taking them.

CDC - Testing and Monitoring - Vaccine Safety

Drugs, including vaccines, typically go through three levels of testing. The first level is usually a relatively small group of test subjects. and is more geared toward seeing if the product does what it is expected to. Many drugs never get past this point because they are not effective enough. The next level includes a larger group of test subjects for safety and efficacy. The third phase is after the drug is in use in the general population. At this point, millions of people have received HPV vaccines. There is no evidence that the vaccines are causing serious illness or deaths.

By the way, your comment that the people who develop and sell vaccines are not in it to save lives is a real slap in the face to the many dedicated researchers involved in making them. Vaccines as a whole have saved more lives than any other medical intervention in history.
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Here is a report from August of last year confirming deaths from HPV Vaccine. We have, among others, "Judicial Watch" to thank for staying on top of this issue and using the "Freedom of Information Act" to keep us notified of such issues.



Number of Deaths Linked to HPV Vaccine Grows (Article) | Fact over Fiction (http://www.factoverfiction.com/article/3078 - broken link)

Interesting. The internal links in this article are gone and comments are closed.

There are no confirmed deaths due to Gardasil.
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:57 AM
 
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That was me. It is still there.

And once again. A doctor of osteopathy is a separate degree from medical doctor. If you cannot understand the distinction I suggest you re-read your own Wikipedia link. They are similar but different degrees.

Misstating someone's qualifications is not helping your case at all.
In the US, most D.O.s receive essentially the same postgraduate residency training as M.D.s and their practices are pretty much identical. Some D.O. programs in the past taught manipulations as the treatment for everything. I do not think that is true any more.
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:58 AM
 
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Yes, this is really to each his own. Even on the ads for hpv vaccine they say MAY prevent cervical cancer because they really are just taking a stab in the dark.
Just like the flu vaccine. This year, surprise, the vaccine isn't working for seniors so now there is a new super shot and we will see again. You have to be responsible for your own health and the outcome.
Risky behavior is just that, risky, that includes getting every vaccine that comes out for anything, taking pills for whatever or having sex with someone you don't know is carrying a disease. It's all up to the individual.
There are risks in everything we do, eat, drink, smoke etc....we are going to get something, someday and then we are going to die. It sucks but that's life. I feel for anyone facing illness, everyone does I'm sure but that doesn't need to turn into fear.

There is a common misconception that the HPV vaccine protects against all types of HPV. Parents and children are misinformed and think they are being protected. It's just the tip of the ice burg, kids are still at risk for different strains of hpv even though they get the shot, it only covers 4 types and they don't know if those are the types that will give you cancer. So it's not a end all by any means. It doesn't mean they are now protected.

A scab increases your risk for cancer, any injury does.
 
Old 02-02-2012, 12:58 AM
 
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It's ironic that you are complaining about an ad hom and then resorting to another logical fallacy in the same post. Appeal to authority. Yes some scientists and doctors are anti vaccine but the vast majority are pro vaccine. If we are going to pretend appeal to authority has merit, your positions even more tenuous.

I also have huge flaws with her methodology, especially her misuse of statistics (I am a scientist myself). If you really want to get into them we should perhaps move this to the health forum.

Health forum does not want any vaccine threads!
 
Old 02-02-2012, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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You, Suzy are way out of the loop on Dr. Tenpenney. She practices bigtime.

About Dr. Tenpenny (http://drtenpenny.com/about_drTenpenny.aspx - broken link)

No, she is not a quake, but I do see that you are apparently desperate to try and squelch her and other physicians that are wisely, against the shots. So, you are pitifully forced to result to Ad Hominem.

You have not gainsayed her, or countless other physicians and scientists that, like her, are strongly against the barrage of shots.

Their patients are very blessed for having them.
Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny, DO, Cleveland, OH - Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine

Yes, she does see patients, but she does not do a whole lot of medicine from what she lists here.

Anyone who believes vaccines do not prevent infectious diseases is a quack.
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