Will you get your sons HPV shot? (bullying, autism, getting married)
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My children are all up and raised. However, I will give my opinion anyway. No way in hell would I go to the expense of this vaccine for my daughter or my sons, unless I knew they were promiscuous.
Parents whose kids are promiscuous don't take proper care of their children, so won't get the vaccine either.
Vaccines do not absolutely prevent you from becoming infected. What they do do is GREATLY reduce the probability of becoming infected, and the severity if you do. I suspect you already know this though.
So you agree then that if your child is already vaccinated and still ends up with say, HPV, you are going to point fingers just to find someone to blame?? (At least that is the way it seemed with your last comment) Nothing is guaranteed 100%, it is a fact of life. Cancer is not something ANYONE wants, and would love to never get, but unfortunately with the way our environment is, the way food is grown and manufactured, down to plastic being used to heat up food in the microwave and then eat it right out of the container, ALL of us are exposed to something that is greatly increasing our odds to get some form of cancer.
If someone is concerned about getting HPV virus that will then turn into infection then cancer, then that person has to be responsible for themselves. Just like they have to be responsible in knowing that the person they are shacking up with MAY or MAY not have an STD, or maybe that they slept with someone who did. Everyone who is sexually active is taking a risk every time they have sex- if they get pregnant or get an STD- I don't even care if you are in a committed relationship. It is ALWAYS a risk. You have to be responsible for yourself and not depend on the other person to be so, and if you arent responsible for yourself and your actions, then, part of the outcome is on you as well.
My children are all up and raised. However, I will give my opinion anyway. No way in hell would I go to the expense of this vaccine for my daughter or my sons, unless I knew they were promiscuous.
Parents whose kids are promiscuous don't take proper care of their children, so won't get the vaccine either.
My children are all up and raised. However, I will give my opinion anyway. No way in hell would I go to the expense of this vaccine for my daughter or my sons, unless I knew they were promiscuous.
Parents whose kids are promiscuous don't take proper care of their children, so won't get the vaccine either.
Funny, my mom took great care of me. I still got it.
Are you calling me promiscuous?
If this is your actual way of thinking I have a lot of pity that someone so ignorant and thick headed has reproduced and is spreading their idiocy onto poor children.
My children are all up and raised. However, I will give my opinion anyway. No way in hell would I go to the expense of this vaccine for my daughter or my sons, unless I knew they were promiscuous.
Parents whose kids are promiscuous don't take proper care of their children, so won't get the vaccine either.
So you really think 9 year olds need vaccine for sexually transmitted diseases? I don't.
I have done a lot of reading. I remember being a kid. I remember "playing doctor" no joke at quite a young age. It seems that there is reason to suspect that penetration is not required for transmission.
Is the big deal that people are tweaked about is because sex is involved? I don't get it.
So you agree then that if your child is already vaccinated and still ends up with say, HPV, you are going to point fingers just to find someone to blame?? (At least that is the way it seemed with your last comment) Nothing is guaranteed 100%, it is a fact of life. Cancer is not something ANYONE wants, and would love to never get, but unfortunately with the way our environment is, the way food is grown and manufactured, down to plastic being used to heat up food in the microwave and then eat it right out of the container, ALL of us are exposed to something that is greatly increasing our odds to get some form of cancer.
What? You vaccinate your children, so I am failing to understand your point here. No vaccine is 100%. Most recent epidemics (regardless of the disease) are started by those who are unvaccinated. That is a fact. Would I point fingers just to find someone to blame....umm, no, there would be no need, as the infected source would be identified. No need to point fingers.
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Originally Posted by NEOhioBound
If someone is concerned about getting HPV virus that will then turn into infection then cancer, then that person has to be responsible for themselves. Just like they have to be responsible in knowing that the person they are shacking up with MAY or MAY not have an STD, or maybe that they slept with someone who did. Everyone who is sexually active is taking a risk every time they have sex- if they get pregnant or get an STD- I don't even care if you are in a committed relationship. It is ALWAYS a risk. You have to be responsible for yourself and not depend on the other person to be so, and if you arent responsible for yourself and your actions, then, part of the outcome is on you as well.
That may be true in the case of HPV, but not so with vaccine-preventable illness generally speaking, and especially regarding newborns, the elderly, the immunocompromised, etc.
Suzy Q:The vaccine has been shown to prevent infection with the strains of HPV in the vaccine and cervical dysplasia in women. It is incorrect to say it has shown "no proof of preventing anything yet."
Poppysead: No, I mean it hasn't proven to prevent cervical cancers. I don't know who your trying to fool, nobody would get this shot for a benign virus that doesn't cause cancer.
Suzy Q: Do you have any pages showing the HPV vaccine does not prevent infection with the HPV strains in the vaccine? Please provide links.
Poppysead: Do you have any pages showing it actually prevents cervical cancer? Even on the commercials they say it "may" which means they don't know if it "will".
You do not understand how cervical cancer, and the other cancers with which HPV is associated, develop. They do not pop up overnight. They arise after a series of predictable changes in the tissue, and the changes can take years to progress. Cervical cancer is preceded by a condition called "cervical intraepithelial neoplasia", or CIN for short. CIN is graded on a scale of I to III, with II and III usually being treated. "I" is usually just watched. You do not get cervical cancer by skipping the CIN steps. That is why Pap smears work. They pick up cells from the CIN before the cancer develops.
HPV vaccines have been shown to prevent CIN. If you can prevent CIN, you can prevent cancer.
The equivocation you see with words like "may" in commercials has to do with what happens when lawyers get hold of things, not the science.
The studies done with the vaccine have used CIN as a "surrogate end point" for cancer. Think of it as a "stand in."
If you prevent CIN, you can prevent cancer. We do not have to wait decades to "prove" the vaccines will prevent cancer.
We do need for people to understand that women will still need to get Pap smears. there are cancer causing strains of HPV that are not covered by the vaccines.
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Suzy Q: Since the vaccines do work, it is not necessary to "scare" people into using them. What is happening is that people who do not know what they are talking about are trying to scare people into not using them.
Poppysead: Who is doing that? I didn't say or do that. I am only fighting for my choice to wait until I deem it a safe vaccine. You are the one rushing the use of a vaccine, some are simply defending their reasons to not rush to judgement on this vaccine.
What are you basing your decision about safety on? The scientific evidence is in favor of the vaccines. How long does the vaccine have to be available before you deem it is safe?
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Suzy QTylenol is off topic. Doctors have known for a long time that too much can cause liver damage. The problem is people who do not follow directions for taking it properly. That is the reason for the new labeling.
Poppysead:Not true. Tylenol May Cause Serious Liver Damage
And if it were, say the doctors have known for a long time but the public just found out then that's just as questionable and another reason you need to take your health and meds a bit more seriously. Do your homework. Some people do more homework buying a new car than they do on their health.
This review shows that if you take Tylenol properly, you will not get liver failure.
The concern with Tylenol is because some people unfortunately do not follow the directions for use over the counter drugs.
When you do your homework, it is important to consider the source of the information you are using to make your decisions.
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Originally Posted by PoppySead
I said we don't know! Stop with the assumptions already, I have said in almost every post I've made that we don't know yet. Not that it is true or not, but that it isn't true that you know for sure it prevents any cervical cancer. There is a difference.
This whole uprising is because I said I'll wait and see, I don't feel confident yet.
But the scientists who have developed the vaccines are confident. That is because they understand the physiology of these cancers.
It is all well and good to say you want to make an informed decision about having your children vaccinated. it is unwise to base that decision on a faulty understanding of the physiology of the cancers the vaccines can prevent.
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How that translated into killing others children I'll never know.
I am not the one that made that comment. However, if you choose not to vaccinate your children, you are making a decision that in the future may have an impact on your children's sexual partners. Your child could get infected with HPV and give it to a partner. That is just a fact, Infectious Disease 101.
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