Another bit of the gender neutral movement nonsense (child, schools, mother)

[Vic 2.0]

Originally Posted by Lucidkitty

So you have no proof is what you are saying ?

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[PoppySead]

Originally Posted by Dave5150

This may be true, but taking away words in our language not only makes us like these other countries but also serves to further eliminate what makes us different from others. Being different is not bad. Me being different from you. My son being different than the other kids on his team. My community being different than the other communities in my area. My state being different. My country being different. My gender being different. My nationality being different. My ancestry being different. We are all different people and what makes is different makes us who we are.

Don't worry, your differences will still be intact I'm sure but people are getting away from a society that categorizes these differences as good or bad, that's all. What a girl should be, what a boy should do. Those are leaving on the fast train.

While I think some don't want to give away the "my son is all boy" edge they have in old school thinking, a lot of boys who aren't "all boy" get picked on, overlooked. Same for girls. I'm not suggesting taking such drastic measures as Sweden but our youth are addressing it without caring for my opinion. Boy girl separation is "old school" thinking. Pants and skirts can be worn by both, you can date both regardless of your gender, if a girl wants a military career she can have it without question. If a boy wants to be a dancer, he can. A boy with muscles isn't more boy, just a person with more muscles. A girl with a fondness of skirts isn't more girly just has a fondness for skirts. Her bff boyfriend could also have this fondness for skirts.
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The next fashion trend thanks to the Harujuku.
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They even use co ed dorms at a lot of major universities despite our desperate NOOOOO cries as parents, I am one of those NO parents, but it's happening. It will be a fight for sure but I don't think we will win it. We will see. Here is the issue.
"Suddenly, College A opens the floodgates and allows male and female students to room together. Susie may be fine with it, but her parents definitely aren't and constantly harassing anyone and everyone and threatening to go to the board and make a fuss with other parents."
The Coed Dorm Debate Rages On | University Chic
Right now we still have some "donor" clout but soon we won't. I'm sure we will have most offering the option for quit a while though. Parents are flipping like fish out of water.

It's ending, the new generation doesn't care about being gender inhibitive, selective or sensitive to these differences. This applies to more than gender.

I'm sure they will have their own problems but not being girly or boyish enough won't be one of them. They don't care, they seem to support lack of perfection now, lack of stereo types. Which might be a good thing, we spend a lot on trying to make ourselves gender perfect. It was only a matter of time until this trend was going to fade.

Who knows what tomorrow brings, nothing will be perfect but I'm up for the change. Let's see what happens.

It can't have any more problems than our "old school of thought" had. Just different. I imagine it will go the same course as racism. Only old people will refer to those by gender, or gender advantage. Like we see old people now that regard different races as inferior without knowing any better because that was their generational thought. We just say, ah, those old people, they don't realize how things have changed. Yikes

I always swore this wouldn't be me, but I don't think I can help it. It's just how it happens, the next gen will determine the new ways. C'est la vee or say la vee as we say it here in America. What can you do.

[nana053]

Interestingly, there is a new series of books that may be published. We will see what happens with this concept.

"Polkadot ____ " A Gender Non-Binary Children's Book Series by Talcott Broadhead — Kickstarter

Our series begins when our main character Polkadot; a child who was not assigned a gender, is at an age when their gender identity is still forming and emerging. The first book in our series is entitled, "Polkadot Goes to Preschool." While Polkadot is the main character of the series, and therefore their gender identity is central, this series of books celebrate the beauty and validity of ALL gender identities.

[JustJulia]

Nana, I read the article. I wonder why the author chose "Polkadot" and pink clothing to convey a lack of gender. If the author wants children to be open to imagining a girl or boy, she should have chosen something not automatically associated with girls. Also, I may not like that the default pronoun in English is "he," but I will go down kicking and screaming if people try to foist "themself" or words like that on me!

As far as Sweden goes ... meh. We're not Sweden.

[doctrain]

Originally Posted by Dave5150

This may be true, but taking away words in our language not only makes us like these other countries but also serves to further eliminate what makes us different from others. Being different is not bad. Me being different from you. My son being different than the other kids on his team. My community being different than the other communities in my area. My state being different. My country being different. My gender being different. My nationality being different. My ancestry being different. We are all different people and what makes is different makes us who we are.

Remember this story from last year? I believe it got reversed, but I'm sure those determined activists who wish to make us a Gender Neutral Country have not given up. They are determined to have us become a "Thing One" and "Thing Two" society. "Hens Will Be Back!"

"The words “mother” and “father” will be removed from U.S. passport applications and replaced with gender neutral terminology, the State Department says.
“The words in the old form were ‘mother’ and ‘father,’” said Brenda Sprague, deputy assistant Secretary of State for Passport Services. "They are now ‘parent one’ and ‘parent two.’"
A statement on the State Department website noted: “These improvements are being made to provide a gender neutral description of a child’s parents and in recognition of different types of families.”


Read more: 'Mother,' 'Father' Changing to 'Parent One,' 'Parent Two' on Passport Applications | Fox News

[JustJulia]

Originally Posted by doctrain

Remember this story from last year? I believe it got reversed, but I'm sure those determined activists who wish to make us a Gender Neutral Country have not given up. They are determined to have us become a "Thing One" and "Thing Two" society. "Hens Will Be Back!"

"The words “mother” and “father” will be removed from U.S. passport applications and replaced with gender neutral terminology, the State Department says.
“The words in the old form were ‘mother’ and ‘father,’” said Brenda Sprague, deputy assistant Secretary of State for Passport Services. "They are now ‘parent one’ and ‘parent two.’"
A statement on the State Department website noted: “These improvements are being made to provide a gender neutral description of a child’s parents and in recognition of different types of families.”


Read more: 'Mother,' 'Father' Changing to 'Parent One,' 'Parent Two' on Passport Applications | Fox News

This makes sense to me. If Jenny has two dads, neither of them is "mother." Updating forms so that they can be filled out correctly is a good idea.

[Zimbochick]

Originally Posted by JustJulia

This makes sense to me. If Jenny has two dads, neither of them is "mother." Updating forms so that they can be filled out correctly is a good idea.

I agree, also some "parents" are grandparents, aunts, etc.

[doctrain]

Originally Posted by JustJulia

This makes sense to me. If Jenny has two dads, neither of them is "mother." Updating forms so that they can be filled out correctly is a good idea.

So, if some kids in school are "gender confused" should we go the way of Sweden and get rid of gender pronouns and use something like "hen" so they can be addressed correctly?

[Zimbochick]

Originally Posted by doctrain

So, if some kids in school are "gender confused" should we go the way of Sweden and get rid of gender pronouns and use something like "hen" so they can be addressed correctly?

Civilized people would respectfully ask a person how they wish to be addressed in that situation.

[JustJulia]

Originally Posted by doctrain

So, if some kids in school are "gender confused" should we go the way of Sweden and get rid of gender pronouns and use something like "hen" so they can be addressed correctly?

Sorry, I don't follow. I don't see what one has to do with the other.

Language evolves organically. An approach of "OK, these are the words we are going to use now" will probably fail, particularly with a major language construct such as pronouns. Words like "parent" and "spouse" already exist as gender-neutral nouns.